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As someone who supports unions and universal health care, I'm voting straight R
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Posted on 10/28/2018 9:13:40 AM PDT by NotaLowTBoomer

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To: NotaLowTBoomer

Stick around, thanks for posting.

We need more young people here.


21 posted on 10/28/2018 10:56:27 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: abigkahuna
In WV, Coal mines were the only action going around. What other occupations were these coal miners to do?

For the older coal miners, go to work for a better mining company. For their children, leave WV and look for work elsewhere, doing something different. I don't have the same occupation that my parents did.

22 posted on 10/28/2018 11:01:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: NotaLowTBoomer
Universal health care would make all doctors, nurses, med techs and other healthcare workers slaves to the rest of us.

Imagine a time when a crisis increases demand for services and the caduceus becomes a weapon wielded against our freedom. Government Doctors compelled to murder citizens because a bureaucrat judged there are too many mouths to feed or those citizens "think the wrong thoughts."

Health care has not been a "Right" in thousands of years of human history. How could anyone in his right mind suddenly think of this Evil Socialist "Fake Right?"

Those who think a Union could protect them from a businessman need to consider who could protect them from the Union. A MAFIA "Protection Racket" is taken down with a national FBI investigation and RICO charges for organized crime and corruption, yet a Union Boss is a king in the private lives of rank and file craft people. The Mafia Boss and the Union Boss function in exactly the same way.

Oh, thanks for your GOP vote by the way ;^)

23 posted on 10/28/2018 11:26:39 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: NotaLowTBoomer; All
As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.

Regardless what the misguided Roberts Court wants everybody to think about the constitutionally of unconstitutional (imo) and now effectively repealed Obamacare, please consider this.

The Founding States didn’t put anything about healthcare into the Constitution.

H O W E V E R …

The founders did put the 10th Amendment into the Constitution.

"10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

In other words, and military issues aside, the 10th Amendment clarifies that the Constitution’s silence about things like healthcare means that government power to deal with things like healthcare belongs to the states, not the feds.

In fact, consider that the Roberts Court “overlooked” the following clarifications of unique state powers to tax and spend for healthcare purposes by previous generations of state sovereignty-respecting justices and a constitutional lawmaker.

In other words, what unconstitutional Obamacare did was to reveal that all three branches of the post-17th Amendment ratification, unconstitutionally big federal government are corrupt.

It boils down to the following imo concerning career Democrats and RINOs.

The remedy for unconstitutionally big federal government …

It is now time for patriots to finish the job that they started when they elected Trump president.

More specifically, patriots should now be exercising their voting muscle to fire corrupt career lawmakers, replacing them with patriot lawmakers who will not only put a stop to unconstitutional federal taxing and spending, but will also support Trump's vision for MAGA.

24 posted on 10/28/2018 11:29:25 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Gen.Blather
Try living on an Air Force base, with a wing of jet fighters screaming overhead day and night. Just remember, it's the sound of freedom.
25 posted on 10/28/2018 11:43:36 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF)
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To: Nifster

Unionism is socialism. You’re no conservative. You’re a ‘’cafeteria conservative’’.


26 posted on 10/28/2018 11:57:35 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: reasonisfaith

yep


27 posted on 10/28/2018 11:57:42 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: PapaBear3625
In WV, Coal mines were the only action going around. What other occupations were these coal miners to do?

For the older coal miners, go to work for a better mining company. For their children, leave WV and look for work elsewhere, doing something different. I don't have the same occupation that my parents did.

Well, back when John L. Lewis was just getting started there was a great injustice to fight against. The Coal Mines paid workers in script, which could only be spent in company stores, instead of real money.

In addition, anyone who became a miner was required to go into debt to pay for his startup equipment and living expenses. The company stores kept a running ledger of the debt that the miner could never get out from under. The miner could not leave his job while he still "owed his soul to the company store."

Some of my relatives were coal miners from my maternal Grandfather on back. They way my Grandfather ended that cycle is that he became a Democrat sycophant government worker in FDR's "New Deal." And at that point, my Grandmother became a staunch Republican for life. My Grandfather retired from the Bureau of Mines as a MESA Bureau Chief (GS-umpteen,whatever).

Years later, my Grandmother would tell of us kids about the evil Democrat corruption and dirty deals of Roosevelt's cronies and she really resented my Grandfather being a party to it.

28 posted on 10/28/2018 12:03:52 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Gen.Blather

At Mets games at Shea Stadium, batters used to step out of the box because of the planes flying over. It was in the takeoff-landing pattern of the airport.


29 posted on 10/28/2018 12:19:20 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: higgmeister
In WV, Coal mines were the only action going around. What other occupations were these coal miners to do?

Was there only one coal mine operator in the entire US? Or even in WV?

The company stores kept a running ledger of the debt that the miner could never get out from under. The miner could not leave his job while he still "owed his soul to the company store."

The miner could always walk away and declare bankruptcy. Or just run away and to hell with the debt. It's not like there were databases in those days, tracking everyone by social security number.

The debt of the fathers was not binding on the children, who could leave, or be sent off to relatives elsewhere.

30 posted on 10/28/2018 12:35:36 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: abigkahuna

Certainly, a number of private-sector unions have outlived their usefulness and exist now for the benefit of the union bosses. But right to work includes the freedom to pick a union (even if it’s an unwise choice) or not to.


31 posted on 10/28/2018 12:39:22 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: PapaBear3625

It’s also activist judges like Sonia Sotomayor telling you you can’t employ replacements.


32 posted on 10/28/2018 12:41:49 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: jmacusa

I’m actually not a conservative at all. I only vote republican because I want adults in charge. I am not a liberal either though, i’d prefer military rule.


33 posted on 10/28/2018 2:36:43 PM PDT by NotaLowTBoomer
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To: NotaLowTBoomer

Why do you prefer Military Rule over Freedom and Liberty?


34 posted on 10/28/2018 5:18:47 PM PDT by houeto
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To: NotaLowTBoomer
Then I think you'd feel more at home at Democrat Underground.This is Free Republic. We believe in a constitutional republic here. We believe in freedom and liberty, God and the right to bear arms, limited government, a strong military and that marriage is a scared institution between a man and a woman. Read Jim's statement.
35 posted on 10/28/2018 5:24:58 PM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jmacusa

If you think socialism is any different than communism you need to reread history

You last comment is ridiculous


36 posted on 10/28/2018 10:49:32 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

Socialism is the economic wing of communism. You sound ridiculous. Read a book yourself.


37 posted on 10/28/2018 11:01:56 PM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: PapaBear3625
The miner could always walk away and declare bankruptcy. Or just run away and to hell with the debt. It's not like there were databases in those days, tracking everyone by social security number.

The debt of the fathers was not binding on the children, who could leave, or be sent off to relatives elsewhere.

In the 1930's a miner with a 3rd grade education and 10 or 12 children wasn't going to to have the wherewithal to do what you suggest. Honorable men do not shirk their debt. And children honored their father and mother as The Ten Commandments ordered them to do. During the Great Depression few relatives had the ability to take in other family members. You need to stop attempting to ascribe your 2018 values to 1918 rural God fearing Christians. I believe I have better insight than most because my father was the youngest son of my Victorian Grandfather.

January 25, 1870 is the date my paternal grandfather was born. General Grant had been President for less than a year. Queen Victoria had over thirty years still to reign. I never knew anything about my paternal grandfather because he died of old age many years before I was born. My Dad was unvaryingly parochial and dogmatic, which is quite understandable when you realize he was raised by a true Victorian father, born less than five years after the Civil War.
I was raised to know that all debts must be paid and personal bankruptcy was an act of an unscrupulous cheat.

You may have missed my earlier post where I emphatically indicated that all trade unions are the scourge of man. I still can recognize that one hundred years ago they seemed like a solution for many hopeless souls.

38 posted on 10/28/2018 11:28:36 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: NotaLowTBoomer

Yep.
Trump’s policies (immigration control and limitation of off-shoring) increase the American workers’ share of company profits.

Heck, that used to be the goal of socialists. God knows what socialists’ goals for the worker are now. Welfare I guess.


39 posted on 10/28/2018 11:32:31 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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