Back to the thread for # 55 ... and this sentence.
By the way, Cruz made a very public demonstration of the fact that he was going to FORMALLY renounce his CANADIAN citizenship. What NATURALLY BORN US citizen has to do such a thing?
Posted on 08/18/2018 10:38:48 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
15:50: Aside from there never being a birth certificate at Kapiolani Medical Center...and I will never reveal the sources, however they are top intelligence people in two different branches of intelligence...it has been an open secret that Obama could never satisfy the constitutional requirement of being born on American soil.
Now in our investigation we were not tasked with determining that. We were looking for evidence of a fraudulent document and perhaps the reason behind it, but the mission was never to find where he was or was not born. However, that's the open secret.
Now that's the open secret and you have John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Micheal Hayden, all these players that were in control of those entities are now empbroiled in this soft coup to destroy the presidency of the United States.
(Excerpt) Read more at carlgallups.com ...
EVERY single piece of legislation Obama signed could be null & void.
Back to the thread for # 55 ... and this sentence.
By the way, Cruz made a very public demonstration of the fact that he was going to FORMALLY renounce his CANADIAN citizenship. What NATURALLY BORN US citizen has to do such a thing?
Whar’s the big deal about being BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL???
No one gives a damn.
Ted Cruz was born in Canada and so many “Constitutional Conservatives” had NO problem cheerleading his bid for potus. My how times have changed
Who remembers the Senate passing a bill legitimizing poor ole John McCain (born to an Admiral & 4th generation American citizen) just because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.) They made a big deal of it - Clinton, Mckasgil, Obama, et, al.
Fast forward 10 years to Cruz 2016: So if Hussein had shown a Canadian BC (like Cruz) all would have been honky dory with the Constitution, right?
Obviously, who cares if he was born on the Hades or Egypt, Lebanon, Yemen, Indonesia, Saudia Arabia, North Korea, Cuba.....
The same duplicitous hypocritical people who were outraged over where & when Hussein was spawned had ‘no problemo’ with the Cruznadian whose father lived in Texas for nearly fifty years ‘dodging’ American citizenship for some very strange reason.
Things that make you go- hmmmm.
Thois was taken from one of many times it has been posted here.
The meaning of the term-of-art ‘natural born Citizen’ has been addressed, and confirmed by the US Supreme Court. The idea that all persons who are a citizen at birth, are ‘natural born citizens’ cannot possibly be accepted for the simple reason that NO part of the Constitution can be interpreted in such a way as to make any part of the Constitution irrelevant. What that means is that the Constitution MUST be interpreted in such a way that every word in relevant. The idea that ‘citizen at birth’ equates to ‘natural born citizen’ ignores the word ‘natural’. If the intention was otherwise, they would have simply said a ‘born citizen’, or a ‘citizen at birth’ or ‘born a citizen’. So it is clear they intended something else. So - what does the word ‘natural’ mean in the context of ‘natural born citizen’?
There are two types of law. There is ‘positive law’ - this is man-made law, such as the Constitution, laws from Congress, state law, local ordinances, and so on. And then there is ‘natural law’ - this is the law of nature, or the divine. An example would be when the founders wrote the Declaration of Independence, and stated :
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
That is a form of natural law. So, the term ‘natural born citizen’ means EXACTLY what it says, a citizen at birth according to natural law.
OK - what is a citizen by natural law? Remember, a natural law is one that is unwritten. So a citizen by natural law, would be a citizen that would require no man made ‘positive’ law to be a citizen. So, when is someone a citizen without need of any positive law? When they can be nothing else. Does that sound familiar? Ever heard someone answer a question with the word ‘naturally’, because the answer could be nothing else? “Does Monday come after Sunday? Naturally!” Who can be nothing other than a citizen at birth, and therefore requires no positive law?
There are 4 basic variables governing citizenship.
Maybe where a person is born shouldn’t really matter. I’ve seen many immigrants who are much more patriotic than natural born American’s. But there is a process to go thru if that is the case, and that process is the Amendment process. But that probably wouldn’t go through. So what do they do? They simply ignore that part of the Constitution. The real danger is what part do they decide to ignore next?
'Natural Born Citizen' simply means, a person born a Citizen according to the law of nature.
What is important about the 'law of nature'? There is a legal term Jura naturæ sunt immutabilia - and it means, "The laws of nature are unchangeable". The Congress CAN NOT declare a person a 'Natural Born Citizen', because they CAN NOT change the definition, it's immutable.
The idea that Ted Cruz meets the NBC clause is ridiculous, Ted Cruz is a US citizen NOT by natural law, but by statutory law, as written in the Immigration and Nationality Act (either section 301, or section 320).
Just look at the titles of the chapters those sections are in! The title of the chapter section 301 is in - CHAPTER 1 -- NATIONALITY AT BIRTH AND BY COLLECTIVE NATURALIZATION. We know that Cruz was not considered a 'US National', he is a Citizen, so his citizenship would be from "COLLECTIVE NATURALIZATION". The title of the chapter containing section 320?
CHAPTER 2 -- NATIONALITY THROUGH NATURALIZATION, that says it all, all persons who are 'citizens at birth' through these sections, are citizens "THROUGH NATURALIZATION". Also, these are not really 'Citizens at birth', the are 'Citizens BY birth'. There is a BIG difference (and you will notice that Cruz 'spokespeople' will always say 'by birth'), persons who automatically acquire Citizenship via section 320, are not actually a US citizen until they move to the US and establish permanent residence.
That is why it was always clear that you must be born on US soil to be president, because ALL US citizens, born outside the US, even if a citizen at birth, are 'naturalized US citizens', and NOT 'natural born Citizens'.
Bast on Constitutional provision and Original Intent.
No need. Like I said earlier I voted for Cruz for senate but that was a different time. He is permanently damaged goods and knowing what people now know about him today he would have never even won his first bid for senate. Cruz has asked President Trump to help in his reelection campaign. That tells you he is even in trouble getting re-elected to the senate and he may not win. I hope he does but he has lost a huge amount of support. There is zero chance he will ever be a viable presidential candidate again. Presidential potential is over for Cruz, NBC or no NBC.
All fiction just like Slick said, “biggest fairy tale he ever did hear!”
Until someone crudely manufactured these-
No BC for Hussein.
No School Records for Hussein.
No Drivers Licenses for Hussein.
No Social Security # for Huseein.
No BC for Hussein mommie.
No school records for Hussein mommie.
No marriage cert. for Hussein ‘parents’
No marriage cert. for Hussein ‘grandparents.’
No presence at Columbia University- Hussein.
No presence at Harvard- Hussein ‘daddy.’
All we have are fake newspaper archives and fake stories to back up his fairy tale. All are unverifiable evidence of a totally photo-shopped faux-family.
Whether Obama was/was not qualified to constitutionally serve as president may never be known. But isn’t it interesting that after all the arguing back and forth that nobody has proposed legislation to spell-out how a person qualifies to be on a presidential ballot?
Excellent point!
Great use of logic and reason to figure something out.
“Doesn’t even matter if he was born in Hawaii, he is NOT a natural born citizen because his foreign national father bequeathed British and Kenyan citizenship on him at birth.”
The record is pretty clear from BHO Sr’s INS records that Barry was conceived in a bigamous international student exchange marriage shack-job campus liason at best which the UK Kenyan Gov’t would NEVER recognize to confer British and Kenyan citizenship on Barry and would have required registration in HI in it occurred there or in Kenya if there.
Was there was no registration in Kenya?
Was there a BC there with the famous footprint or not?
IANAL, but:
Was he was spirited out of the country by his under-age mom too young to confer US citizenship if married?
Due to a quirk in the law was she actually young enough to confer citizenship if she was legally UNMARRIED!
That’s right, being unmarried would allow Stanley Ann to confer citizenship in case of a foreign birth, but being married would not because she was still too young.
Kenya did NOT recognize bigamous marriages and contrary to all the talk of BHO Sr. being Muslim, he was not.
Names or it didn't happen. Complete unadulterated bullshit.
there is no way the founders wanted a british citizen to be president. Not after the revolution and agin 1812.
Obama’s main purpose was to diminish the power of “imperialistic, colonial countries” The US and UK number 1 and 2.
PS we saw the disrespect f the UK immediately with his cheesy gifts to the queen and removing the bust of Churchill from display
They’ve probably made it impossible to ever find the traces in any official source leading to the truth that Obama was born in an unwed mother’s home in Vancouver, BC. He was never a citizen until the US Senate conferred a ceremonial passport upon him with no backing document.
But you are correct; once the FBI is complicit in such dirty dealing, they have no motivation to be faithful and true to the law on anything. Broken window theory works in the law and moral spheres as well.
*** In any case, if the child was conferred US Citizenship as natural, not naturalized, the child would need to reside WITHIN the United States for 14 years. The Constitution provides no detail on how the 14-year requirement is to be satisfied, whether in one continuous stretch or broken into periods that add to 14. ***
Interesting. But as transoceanic passages at the time were fraught with danger I would assume that the framers never qualified it because they didn’t think they needed to. Hence, they probably meant 14 continuous years.
Holy carp, Carp. He was not born in Kenya. But he used to wish he had been, for in the 1980s nothing was cooler in the AA community than a Real African. And Mr. White Raised Barry really needed that cachet.
No American mom and dad send their teen pregnant daughter to Africa to give birth, not even the lazy communist kind. What, with the adult married man who knocked her up? Never happened. They sent her where all their high school friends went when they got knocked up in Seattle.
Correct. Clearly Canadian. He was eligible to be prime minister of Canada.
1. Born and reared in Canada for his formative years.
2. Father was admittedly a Canadian at the time of birth. Had Rafael not become a Canadian, Ted could have sought Cuban citizenship rights through his dad.
3. Mother unavailable for comment, but registered as a Canadian citizen appearing on the Provincial Canadian voter rolls in Alberta.
Clruz met all criteria for Canadian PM until 2015, whereby Cruz finally rescinded his Canadian citizenship.
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