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ROBERT E. LEE: OUR GREATEST GENERAL?

Posted on 06/22/2018 11:46:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

That was according to my 8th grade history teacher-retired military. The only one who came close was MacArthur. That brings up the politics of the left. If it is true that Lee was a great General isn't it at least worth acknowledging? This tearing down of statues should stop. Educated persons should acknowledge the truth. It's the left that's the intelligent ones as they would have us believe. I see no conservatives standing up for this truth. The Senate GOP candidate in Virginia should start an 'intellectual' conversation on Lee and let the left react. Don't wait for a baiting reporter to to knee-jerk him into a quick response that they can interpret their own way.


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KEYWORDS: dixie; militaryhistory; robertelee
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To: DIRTYSECRET
MacArthur? Fail to see how someone has his entire fleet of aircraft destroyed on the ground in the Philippines 10 hours AFTER Pearl Harbor should be rated "best" at anything.
41 posted on 06/22/2018 12:18:03 PM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: RainMan

Been reading a lot about the Revolutionary War. Military Generals magazine said it best: what Washington did was the exception.

HE LOST MOST OF THE TIME, or ALL the time. However, his greatest attribute was keeping the army TOGETHER. Through desertions that would make any officer cry, he kept it together through hardships and bad weather and really bad morale.


42 posted on 06/22/2018 12:18:25 PM PDT by beergarden
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To: DoodleDawg

“What is overlooked is the fact that when Stuart took off on his ride Lee retained half his cavalry with him.”

Interesting, I wasn’t aware of that. I’ll look into that further.

At the risk of defending Lee, he wasn’t cavalry-oriented. It would obviously have helped him if he were. That would explain his lack of effective deployment. He may also have felt unsure what to do with them given Stuart’s absence.

But I always thought his orders to Stuart were to actively scout out where the Union Army was located. In that respect, Stuart failed.


43 posted on 06/22/2018 12:19:28 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Washington did nothing but lose until the Battle of Trenton after being chased out of NY and NJ. My money is on Grant.


44 posted on 06/22/2018 12:21:14 PM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: RainMan
America’s Greatest Generals would probably go Washington, Jackson (who is also a problem for the left), Patton, Lee, in that order. However, I see your point and agree.

When for years no one sane thought that the Americans had any chance and lost battle after battle, Washington could still keep an army in the field.

Lee is overrated, he had very good subordinates.

Patton is overrated thanks to a movie.

Jackson is underrated thanks to political correctness.

Somehow America's greatest general, Winfield Scott, didn't make that list.

45 posted on 06/22/2018 12:21:53 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: hardspunned
I was going to mention him. What I didn't know until recently, he had no particular military experience whatsoever prior to enlisting. In short order he was promoted and eventually running the whole damn war practically. That is amazing.
46 posted on 06/22/2018 12:22:38 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: yarddog
Lee has always epitomized the concept of the true gentleman, as well as a brilliant General. Those who denigrate him undermine our cultural heritage, North & South. To explore the effect on our future:

Reconstruction & Creating Hate In America Today

Leftist War On Social Continuity

47 posted on 06/22/2018 12:22:57 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

First degree idiots is my guess.

Two of his relatives signed the Declaration of Independence.

I guess these retards bashing Lee have a problem with the American Revolution too.


48 posted on 06/22/2018 12:24:47 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES-GOD WITH US)
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To: MplsSteve

Lee was great until Jackson and Stuart were killed (by own men). Lee only had to give them the objective and they figured out how to accomplish. Their “replacements” expected Lee to give them specifics of how to do it and didn’t understand Lee. That’s what cost him Gettysburg.


49 posted on 06/22/2018 12:25:12 PM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: DoodleDawg

And, with all due respect to Lee, Washington was incredibly heavily fortified by that point.


51 posted on 06/22/2018 12:27:21 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

He should have gone to the right...


52 posted on 06/22/2018 12:28:07 PM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: hardspunned

My thought, too.
Brilliant tactician.


53 posted on 06/22/2018 12:28:15 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF.)
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To: Freedom4US
I was going to mention him. What I didn't know until recently, he had no particular military experience whatsoever prior to enlisting. In short order he was promoted and eventually running the whole damn war practically. That is amazing.

Another worth mentioning who had no formal military experience was Richard Taylor, son of Zachary. He was a Yale man who taught himself military tactics. Performed exceptionally well during the Red River Campaign. He ended up commanding Forrest near the end of the war. Forrest had very high praise for Taylor.

54 posted on 06/22/2018 12:28:19 PM PDT by Texas Mulerider (Rap music: hieroglyphics with a beat.)
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To: Rome2000

Lee freed his slaves, before Grant ever did, is that true?


55 posted on 06/22/2018 12:29:12 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: DIRTYSECRET

He’s certainly my favorite. Visited his grave again in April and left a penny at Traveller’s grave.


56 posted on 06/22/2018 12:29:40 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: stormer
Yeah.

That faction that held to the original intent of the Constitution, as opposed to the living document faction of their day. That faction which evolved in notions of indissolubility. The minutes of the constitutional convention make it crystal clear that the document they drafted did indeed allow for withdrawal.

Was the war worth fighting for the North? Strictly on moral grounds to end slavery.

At any rate, not my circus not my monkeys anyway. My ancestors didn't immigrate until the eighteen eighties.

57 posted on 06/22/2018 12:30:18 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: jmacusa

Virginia, which Lee considered his home and country, along with the upper States of the South, did not secede until President Lincoln began preparations to invade those lower Southern States.
Those lower States wanted freedom from the high tariffs the North charged for raw materials. The lower states did not invade the North but tried to expel the Federalist forces.

Slavery ended peacefully in many other countries and if the North had simply existed as a, “safe place” for slaves to flee to it would have ended that particular institution without the loss of 750,000 Americans. The dissolution of the Union would have led to the peaceful dissolution of slavery as the slaves would have had a place of refuge.

The North uses the abolitionist cause as a red herring to justify it’s imposition on the South and attacked in order to control their economic resources. The war was not fought to free slaves as the Northern historians have written. That was used to force federal power over federalist ideals. https://www.thegreatfiction.com/2015/01/17/could-slavery-have-ended-without-the-civil-war/


58 posted on 06/22/2018 12:30:41 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: budj
"...So many of the Civil War battles battles throughout recorded history turned on the simplest of contingencies..."

"For want of a nail" didn't come out of a vacuum...that's for sure.

59 posted on 06/22/2018 12:30:51 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: stormer

Still fighting that war, are we?

Funny, Lincoln wanted us to forgive each other and move on into the future. You might want to take his advice.


60 posted on 06/22/2018 12:31:02 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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