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To: BroJoeK
You may not like the fact, but the Founder's justification for seceding from England was the belief that men had a natural law right to independence. This should have been the established paradigm for the United States, because it would have been consistent with the principle of it's own founding.

Opposing the foundation principle of natural rights is rebellion.

449 posted on 02/19/2018 2:03:03 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "You may not like the fact, but the Founder's justification for seceding from England was the belief that men had a natural law right to independence.
This should have been the established paradigm for the United States, because it would have been consistent with the principle of it's own founding. "

Total rubbish because that's not what Founders' believed, regardless of how often DiogenesLamp repeats it.
Instead, Founders believed in two requirements for disunion: 1) necessity as in 1776 or 2) mutual consent as in 1788.

No founder ever supported a unilateral "right of secession" at pleasure.
To our Founders such a move would be considered rebellion, insurrection, domestic violence, invasion and/or treason.

And they were against those, regardless of how often DiogenesLamp claims otherwise.

521 posted on 02/20/2018 8:40:04 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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