[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "You may not like the fact, but the Founder's justification for seceding from England was the belief that men had a natural law right to independence.
This should have been the established paradigm for the United States, because it would have been consistent with the principle of it's own founding. "

Total rubbish because that's not what Founders' believed, regardless of how often DiogenesLamp repeats it.
Instead, Founders believed in two requirements for disunion: 1) necessity as in 1776 or 2) mutual consent as in 1788.

No founder ever supported a unilateral "right of secession" at pleasure.
To our Founders such a move would be considered rebellion, insurrection, domestic violence, invasion and/or treason.

And they were against those, regardless of how often DiogenesLamp claims otherwise.

[DiogenesLamp]

Total rubbish because that's not what Founders' believed, regardless of how often DiogenesLamp repeats it.

I keep repeating what the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE explicitly says.

If they didn't believe that, why did they write it down and send it to England?