[BroJoeK]

DoodleDawg: "If you're going to engage in armed rebellion then it helps if you win."

DiogenesLamp: "You keep using that word "rebellion".
While it might accurately apply to what the founders did to Britain, after establishing the principle that people had a right to independence, it was no longer 'rebellion' to obtain that which the founders declared to be a right.
It was rebellion to oppose it. "

Here we see DiogenesLamp expose his true dual nature as, on the one hand a self-loathing Northerner and second, a true-blue Democrat at heart.
How so a Democrat, you ask?
Because by their nature, by their political DNA, Democrats must always redefine or corrupt any words which don't suite their own purposes, and accuse Republicans of what they themselves are most guilty.

They just can't help it, can't stop themselves from doing it, it's just "who they are" as Democrats.
And here we see that is also the deep political tradition from which our FRiend DiogenesLamp springs.

I think we should have compassion for him, but never, ever take it seriously.

[DiogenesLamp]

You may not like the fact, but the Founder's justification for seceding from England was the belief that men had a natural law right to independence. This should have been the established paradigm for the United States, because it would have been consistent with the principle of it's own founding.

Opposing the foundation principle of natural rights is rebellion.