Posted on 01/09/2018 7:42:25 PM PST by Pinkbell
In 2013, Trump tweeted two things:
.@GOP need to face reality – not one of the illegal immigrants granted amnesty will vote Republican.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/302155020697235456
Amnesty is suicide for Republicans.Not one of those 12 million who broke our laws will vote Republican.Obama is laughing at @GOP.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/314093741562535936?lang=en
I took the opportunity to watch the full meeting Trump had at the White House today. It was nearly an hour, and it was bipartisan. Trump stated unequivocally his support for DACA. I'm honestly torn on DACA. I did support it at one time, but after watching them bussed in for a protest wherein they attacked Trump and conservatives, watching their protests and seeing them even interrupt people on their side like Nancy Pelosi when she was speaking, and seeing multiple dreamers interviewed who want amnesty not only for their families but open borders to bring over more relatives, my support has decreased.
In the meeting, Trump spoke of a clean DACA bill at one point when Senator Feinstein suggested it, but after Kevin McCarthy interjected, Trump noted that his idea of a clean bill must include the wall and an end to chain migration and the visa lottery. However, he later began to speak of comprehensive immigration reform next after this bill. Trump, just like DACA, may be referring to comprehensive immigration reform differently than we would traditionally think with a lot of concessions for us, but in the traditional sense, that is usually amnesty or a reward for breaking our laws. He noted that the "far right" and "far left" might not be happy with him, but that he was willing to take the heat. Trump, at the end, noted that he had faith in the people in the room to get something done, and that he would sign whatever they put on his desk.
I'm torn between whether or not I should feel concerned like Ann Coulter (who is currently having a meltdown) or not, but for now, I'll wait and see what happens. I saw some of the Republicans in the room shaking their head at the prospect of amnesty without at least major concessions, so I hope they stick to their guns. I will say this, I understand Trump doesn't have 60 and will probably have to concede DACA to get enforcement, but the reality is the DACA people won't be grateful to him. Trump's Tweets were correct in 2013 that they will vote Democrat (they want to get amnesty for their family as well). We know this because a leaked memo from a leftist group just specified the importance of using illegal immigration for electoral success. That alone will make it more difficult for a Republican to win the swing states. If you add in the other 11 million (and come on - it's way more than that now), it's over. The Democrats will whine that it is terrible I made it about politics. Nonsense - it is to them as well as that memo shows. They would never argue for 11 million people to become citizens and vote Republican. Beyond that, there is the broader point that Trump emphasized while campaigning, we either have a country or we don't. A country is defined by both laws and borders, and both should be enforced.
Trump saying he will take the heat of the "far right" is not a wise thing to say because the "far right" is Trump's most fervent base - the ones defending him against a negative media onslaught, keeping his polls steady so he doesn't go below a certain percent, that are researching to help him fight the latest Russia attack, media attack, Dem attack, etc. They are the line that is protecting Trump from impeachment because they are the people who will vote in the next elections. One thing we know about Republicans is that they don't turn out to vote when they are angry. They don't vote Democrat, but they do stay home...which helps the Democrat. Trump ran on a tough immigration platform, and guess what? Despite the media and Dems calling him heartless, a racist, etc., Trump won on this platform in states Republicans haven't won for decades.
This is a tough situation because Trump will never likely have the 60 and Mitch won't get rid of the filibuster, so Trump has to do some compromising to get his agenda through. Here are things he should be requiring, though:
1. The Wall
2. Visa entry/exit tracking system
3. People who come over illegally should not be caught and released into the interior but should be immediately deported.
4. End of sanctuary cities
5. End of benefits to illegals
6. End of chain migration
7. End of visa lottery
8. E-Verify
9. End of birthright citizenship
You do all these things - just these things - and you are going have a lot of people either not coming or leaving who are here illegally. If Democrats cared about the rule of law at all, they would support these simple, common sense things. They don't, however. Every single one of them is a fight. Trump should put forth a bill with these things in them and barnstorm the country. Go out there and do rallies all along the border and in swing states and hit these points and keep asking over and over why the Democrats don't care about security. As he said during the campaign, when these things are done, THEN we look at what to do with the people who are still here. Democrats won't do these things, and Trump should keep asking why over and over and over again because the majority of Americans support most of these things and bring border patrol agents to talk about why they want the wall and the dangers they face. We shouldn't have to make a compromise for people who came here illegally of their own accord in order to enforce the law. I think this would help him in the midterms.
The bottom line is, I hope that Trump gets the above things done, and I hope he keeps his campaign promises against amnesty for people who violated the law because people didn't vote for Jeb! If they wanted amnesty they'd have voted for him or Grahamnesty (who proudly touted that nickname at the meeting). They didn't. They voted for Trump. Betrayal of voters who have fought for Trump for so long would be a shame.
The good news is that they can save the patients leg and the fix the broken arm.
The bad news is that the heart is failing and the cost of replacing it cannot be justified.
However, the patient should be satisfied that it can walk and pick it's nose for a while...
So...Is Dr Trump getting ready to allow the American dream turn into a terminal nightmare?
There is going to be an amnesty.
What matters is how many and what measures are in the bill that reduces the number of illegal aliens.
We now have 10 times the number that were amnestied in 1986.
He is losing his base already.
You are so correct when you say you are cooling about retaining DACA recipients. They will mostly be destroyers of American culture.
I have watched the radicalization of second and third generation Mexican Americans and legal and illegal immigrants with support from big money that wants to transform America into an unrecognizable country from the one that existed for most of its history.
And the DACA kids arrogance and disruptive behaviors you describe are exactly what is being encouraged by the radicalizers.
Add the shutdown of H1-B and OPT visas to that list.
San Francisco judge rules against Trump administration on rescinding DACA
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/10/judge-rules-against-trump-administration-on-rescinding-daca.html
3 days ago at Camp David, Trump and the Republicans huddled behind closed doors.
Trump goes into detail what needs to be done to get DACA. Trump ends with that one day Mexico will still pay for the wall. It was a heads up about what happened today in the bipartisan meeting where he played a rope a dope game to get the Dems to bite on negotiationing.
The media question about DACA comes at 16:15 Minutes.
Trump and Republicans at Camp David
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnxLZTQJdOc
Notice who was standing behind Trump at Camp David - Kevin McCarthy.
Today McCarthy acted as a Repub ‘safety valve’ for Trump so he could further suck in the Dems. Diane Feinstein, the sucker, provides the question pushing DACA, wanting “a clean DACA bill now before they going further.” Trump gives Feinstein what she wants to hear, but McCarthy comes in to caution Trump.
“DACA Exchange between President Trump, Sen. Feinstein & Rep. McCarthy”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPjZLmmmHVw
McCarthy: Mr president we don’t want to do DACA and then come back 2 years later asking do to security...” Listen to the rest of the interaction between Trump, Feinstein, and McCarthy.
It was a scripted setup by Trump and McCarthy.
Better way-EVERY SINGLE DAM place of business that gets caught with illegals working at their facilities get to pay about a 6 thousand dollar fine, per illegal, and 80% of that goes to the local arresting agency. Then, that business gets to pay for all the deportation fees.
Wanna see the states give up on their idea of sanctuary states?
This is Trumps “Read my lips...” moment
YES.
When the President said earlier today he would sign whatever bill Congress sends him, he is setting himself up for deserved criticism.
He called it “the bill of love” which sounds like W is still in office, and is a far cry from Trump’s campaign promises.
No, not if Trump gets the wall and end chain migration along with ending immigration lottery. Today Trump wanted to suck in the Dems to get the ball rolling. See post #26.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3621039/posts?page=26#26
If we do #2-#9 on the list, we don’t need #1, but it’d still be nice to have.
If they come up with something, it won’t be anything like what he campaigned on and that, folks, is the final nail in the coffin. They’re going to allow a bunch of welfare abusing, affirmative action, America hating, illegals a free pass. Not one of them will be affected by the decision.
Some say, “Give the President a chance. He’s a negotiator”. Bullsh*t!!!!
The only negotiation should be, “I extended DACA to March, out of generosity. I have a 70pt Immigration Policy that I put out in October 2017. I want all of those 70 pts in the bill, along with the RAISE Act. I’ll give you all until the end of the week to come up with something. At COB, on Friday, I will sign an Executive Order, rescinding the illegal and unconstitutional DACA program”.
Just remember, a former president stated when meeting with Congressional leaders from the other side, “I won. Deal with it”.
No deal, even has to be made. The program is over in March, only because he extended to give Congress a chance to come up with something. It should have been over last year.
He holds all the holds all the cards. Every single one of them. His only deal should be ...
Give me what I want or DACA is over and deportations and the rescinding of benefits begin.
The question was COULD HE, and the answer is YES, but of course as you said that is depending on the deal. My concern is that he has already now said that he is going to sign whatever Congress sends him, and that is not what we elected him for, so it appears he may be off course at the moment.
Trump is only starting the art of the deal. Look at what he gets in the end! The democrats will be naked wearing barrels when he’s done with them. Trump aint Bush.
#1 is it.
Everything else falls in place.
Who controls Congress the Republicans do. They already went through the scenarios at Camp David. And if there is no deal? Well that still satisfies many here. The DUmb Dems likely even get the blame for not getting DACA through from their supporters.
“I have watched the radicalization of second and third generation Mexican Americans”
About 80% of current DACA enrollees are Mexican (about 550K).
We’ll see if the Repubs in Comgress can hold the line, but I sure wouldn’t bet on it, now that Trump told the whole media contingent he will sign whatever they send him. Ryan and McConnell may have smirked when he said it, or at least took a quick look at one another.
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