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Thoughts on Las Vegas
self | 10/3/2017 | LS

Posted on 10/03/2017 8:04:23 AM PDT by LS

Any of you who have been around FR for long know I am NOT a conspiracy theorist. As a historian, I look at evidence first and foremost, then worry about motive.

The shooting in Las Vegas has many as of yet very serious unanswered questions. Few go to motive. I believe in history if you solve the question of actual physical evidence, motives become clear.

I'm not posting links with one exception. These are readily available on Twitter, and on other threads here today, but you have seen them.

1. There now appears to be at least three, and maybe four, videos showing some sort of muzzle flash" from a lower floor on the opposite side from the 32nd floor "sniper's nest." To me, one video is totally convincing. It's about 10 seconds, but that is in my mind no doubt an automatic weapon being fired. In the more newly released video, from a phone in a car that is moving, at first I thought this was not convincing. It easily could have been a stobe light in a room. But a later, better resolution version of this video surfaced. It is NOT a strobe. It goes in "bursts." And it is about the same location as the first one I saw.

These are clearly not "reflections."

2. The immediate response from people seeking to debunk was "yeah but what about broken windows there?"

Glad you asked. This is video from TODAY: https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/915225436367462401

3. While there IS what appears to be muzzle flash from floors 4-6, so far I have not seen any video showing any muzzle flash from the 32nd floor---despite the fact this guy was using a "machine gun" and shot for over 40 minutes. Not one. Please, please: if you have this video, post it.

I find that extremely odd. There would be some sort of light from the firing position, especially from a machine gun.

4. This is NOT a dis on the Las Vegas cops. It took them an hour to get this guy. Why? They did apparently use a robot to break into his room, wisely fearing a booby-trap. However, why did they not immediately converge on the right floor? I'm only asking: could it be they didn't see any muzzle flash from there? If you saw it, you'd pretty much know immediately where to go in the hotel.

5. People near the room the shooter was in reported it. But they also reported a security guard whom the cops were chasing. (This is from an Australian couple in the very next room).

6. The audio recordings of the police call (posted on other threads here) ALL said the shots were coming from "about half-way up" (Mandalay is 45 stories, right? Is 32 "half-way up?") or "about the 15th floor." This could be simple confusion---but I go back to muzzle flash. You'd only be confused if you were relying on sound alone, which is hard to pin down.

Now, I repeat, I'm not suggesting anything other than to explain the evidence. I'm not saying right-wing, left-wing, ISIS, FBI, or the Marx Brothers. Let me give you an example of how if we just follow evidence we usually arrive at the right conclusion:

In the JFK assassination, there were for years claims of shots fired from the "grassy knoll." Then, in the 1970s, the Dallas Police located a motorcycle microphone recording of an officer who had left his mic on accidentally that day.

What did they find? FOUR distinct "pops." But when they analyzed the sound more closely three came from the Texas Book Depository area and were all the same---Oswald's gun. The fourth came from the area of the officer and was a motorcycle backfire as they started to move.

What did they NOT hear? Any other shots from the grassy knoll. By being willing to entertain the notion of a "fourth shot," historians were able to prove, in fact, there were only three.

We need to approach this very carefully without leaping to the "motivation" conclusions. Just solve three questions: are the images captured now in multiple places muzzle flash? Why are there no (so far) recorded images of muzzle flash at the 32nd floor? And why did the police scanners all place the shooting lower than it was?


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Politics
KEYWORDS: badfoil; lasvegasshooting; lvmassacre; paddockvanity
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To: LS

Wouldn’t there have to be about 600 shell casings in his room if he were the lone shooter?

And I don’t quite understand the two windows thing. The two broken windows in the picture seem to be from rooms rather far apart. Was that one room?


81 posted on 10/03/2017 12:22:00 PM PDT by christie
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To: LS

Thanks, Larry. Please re-ping.
Cheers,
Jim


82 posted on 10/03/2017 1:21:29 PM PDT by gymbeau (America...great again!)
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To: TruBluKentuckian

Report away.


83 posted on 10/03/2017 1:59:13 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: TruBluKentuckian

1. Wrong place.

2. Not even closs-—not even close-—to the muzzle fire-type images captured on THREE videos now. Try harder.


84 posted on 10/03/2017 2:04:21 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: wastoute

Ppl next door sajd cops were chasing “a security guard”.

If there was another shooter lower, be would not have been able to get up to 32, then get away—or it would have been hard.


85 posted on 10/03/2017 2:09:37 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Yo-Yo

Wrong side of the hotel is important. I havsn’t seen a shot of hotel from floor 1-15 since.


86 posted on 10/03/2017 2:11:01 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Robert DeLong

Unless they were unaware of a second scene for quite a while.

So far, IF those were muzzle flashes, they didn’t last long—nowhere near as long as top shooter.


87 posted on 10/03/2017 2:13:49 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Yo-Yo

BTW it’s being reported today that lower floor windows DO open. Don’t know if that’s true.


88 posted on 10/03/2017 2:15:24 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: christie
And I don’t quite understand the two windows thing. The two broken windows in the picture seem to be from rooms rather far apart. Was that one room?

Each floor has three arms or spokes. At the end of most of the spokes is a large suite as big as two or three normal rooms. The suite 'turns the corner" at the end of the spoke.

One of the earlier threads has a typical floor plan. He wanted two firing vantage points as described in some books on the subject.

89 posted on 10/03/2017 2:18:19 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: SaxxonWoods; LS

“..floor has broken windows, rifles and spent casings.”

A few minutes ago AT A PRSSSER the Sheriff would NOT confirm that those images of the room were the room in question FWIW.


90 posted on 10/03/2017 2:26:54 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: LS

I’ve looked at the cab videos, heard the dispatcher feeds, seen the various references to strobes, looked at the various other posts and evaluated reports from observers.

I think you have gone down a false trail of this investigation.


91 posted on 10/03/2017 2:38:12 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: KC Burke

Possibly. Pursue all info as if it’s real til you cN completely disqualify it.

I only know one thing: whatever that light is, it’s no strobe. The strobe is clearly visible in another shot, and is NOT synched to the sound of gunfire.


92 posted on 10/03/2017 2:54:14 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

You know what? I’m through with you. If you want to continue to make a total fool of yourself, go ahead. You’ve been given ample evidence that it’s a strobe light, you insist it’s not. That only brings one to the conclusion that you’re either profoundly stupid or profoundly dishonest.

Either way you’re profoundly wrong.

And if people want to believe you, then the same goes for them.


93 posted on 10/03/2017 3:56:16 PM PDT by TruBluKentuckian
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To: LS

I don’t know what thread to put this on.

ISIS claiming that he’s one of their “warriors” and they have a photo of him. MEMRI is reputable from everything I’ve seen, not crazed at all. I’m not copying image as I don’t have time for the html-ing. The info is from a channel which I have no idea about. There are many graphics, perhaps screen shots, interspersed in all the below messages. Apparently ISIS never has claimed something as theirs which was not.

https://www.memri.org/jttm/isis-supporters-rejoice-las-vegas-attack-social-media-what-now-trump-you-banned-radicalized

ISIS Supporters Rejoice At Las Vegas Attack On Social Media: ‘What Now Trump? You Banned “Radicalized Muslims” From Traveling To America! Allah Sent His Soldier From Within Your People’

October 02, 2017

The following report is now a complimentary offering from MEMRI’s Jihad and Terrorism Threat Monitor (JTTM). For JTTM subscription information, click here.

On October 2, 2017, the Islamic State (ISIS) news agency A’maq claimed responsibility for the previous evening’s deadly shooting attack at a country music festival in Las Vegas, in which over 50 people were killed and several hundred were wounded.[1] Police identified the attacker as 64-year-old Stephen Craig Paddock. Subsequent posts on numerous ISIS-affiliated Telegram channels noted the ISIS claim that Paddock was a recent convert to Islam. In the hours after the attack, and following the A’maq Agency claim, there have been many celebratory posts on pro-ISIS social media accounts on platforms such as Telegram, Facebook, and Instagram. The following report will include some of the reactions to the Las Vegas attack.

A pro-ISIS channel named Las Vegas USA is dedicated to celebrating yesterday’s attack, criticizing President Trump, and issuing further threats. One graphic shows an image of President Trump waving on one side, and the other side of the graphic shows the aftermath of an attack. The quote featured in the graphic reads: “The so called President Trump can’t help you survive, you should be scared, long night is coming Americans, either you submit willingly or be prepared for your men to be slaughtered and your women enslaved.”

In another post, the Telegram channel posted an image of Paddock with the caption: “O’ Lion of Tawhid [monotheism], May Allah Accept from you. You will be long remembered as the lion who avenged for his brothers.”

A series of posts from the channel reads: “Wishing now your Puppet Presidents stopped interfering in Muslim countries!!

“Take this what happened in #Orlando & #LasVegas was a taste of whats coming...

“America has sunk and there is no savior, and became a prey to the caliphate in every corner of the earth.

“Know that #IslamicState won’t stop fighting you in every Corner of the globe until you accept Islam or Pay Jizyah [poll-tax on Non-Muslims] with Submission.

“O’ American People: You chose your own president, your Taxes money supported your army that killed Muslims, because of that you are a legitimate target for us.”

Another graphic from the channel has a message in Arabic stating: “The Just terror... You claim [to uphold] justice, then we have to implement Allah’s justice on you. It is either death or paying jizyah [tax] with humiliation.”

A graphic reading: “Islamic State The Caliphate USA Licking Her Wounds In Las Vegas” has been circulated on numerous pro-ISIS Telegram channels.

In a conversation in the Telegram channel Muslim Tech Deen, Ya’qoob al-Kurdi stated: “Allahu Akbar I thought it was a silly white guy.” Azizz Hamdan replied: “It is a white guy, but not so silly after all.

Another graphic shows Belgian ISIS fighter ‘Abd Al-Hamid Abaaoud, aka Abu Umar al-Baljiki.[2] The quote reads: “Oh Crusaders We Are Everywhere Soon Is the Next!” An additional caption asks: “Who is Next? Austria? Australia? England? Who?”

Another post in the group states: “What Now Trump? You banned ‘Radicalized Muslims’ from traveling to America! Allah sent his soldier from within your people.”

A pro-ISIS Telegram channel “Yemenite and Proud of my Islam” celebrated the attack and said that it was proof of the “fragility” of U.S. security services. It mocked previous promises by president Trump to eradicate ISIS within 30 days, saying now Trump is approaching the one-year mark of his presidency, yet “the strikes are coming to him in the middle of his home and amongst his citizens.” The channel further claimed that this attack exposed the illusion of the strength of the American and Western security services. The channel also threatened further attacks, saying: “Oh cross worshippers, you shall live in this terror for a long time, and the strikes shall reach you from where you do not know, and what is coming is much worse and bitterer.”

The Telegram group Sawt Al-Andalus, posted a photo of Paddock with the caption: “The hero brother the lion and the knight of Islam the soldier of the Islamic Caliphate. O Allah, I attest you that I love him in you. O Allah, if my brother is alive, blind their eyes of him, if he was arrested, help him remain resolute and if he was killed, accept him from among the martyrs grant him the highest class of paradise and make me follow him.”

The Telegram channel East Asia News Channel wrote: “Just Terror. Attack of the #Las_Vegas shooting is a soldier of the Islamic State and carried out the operation in response to targeting coalition countries.”

The channel also posted a message reading: “Horror in the heart of #America this time in #Las_Vegas .. Attack after attack .. The Crusaders fell into great trouble and they were hit in their own homes .. Nothing benefited their wishes and intelligence .. If we look at the effects of these indirect blessed attacks. If we find a way we should be killing dozens of nationals of the Crusaders and injuring hundreds of them and disrupting their lives I their cities and inflict huge economic losses upon them by any means ..

“This blessed operation today in #Las_Vegas, the city of gambling and sin was a massacre in the right part of the slaves of the cross in their home, and where the threats of the idiot Trump who said that he will eliminate the Khilafah in 30 days and he almost reached a year in the presidency and strikes come to him in his home and his compatriots ..

“This blessed operation in Las Vegas showed the fragility of the security systems of America that claim to be the strongest in the world, through this type of operation, its time, location, and surrounding circumstances, where their intelligence and security is a great illusion they were lying to people through satellite screens and movies in fact their security was zero worth nothing ..

“It reveals more than a great illusion created by the media and entrenched the minds of people about the impossibility of penetrating the security measures of the crusader counties, and painful blows to came to them...

“The Crusaders will live in this horror for a long time...And the strikes will come from where you do not expect...And the future is more and more worse to come by Allah...”

One graphic circulated eulogizes the attacker, reading: “Brother Stephen Paddock.”

On Twitter, user @FA010FARI reposted ISIS’s claim and wrote: “Allahu Akbar.”


There is a lot more and each message has an image showing the source.


94 posted on 10/03/2017 4:47:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

95 posted on 10/03/2017 4:49:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: LS

I had absolutely no idea the grassy knoll theory had been disproven!!

Thanks for posting that.

Ed


96 posted on 10/03/2017 4:56:08 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: LS

Hi, Professor,

I’d like to be re-added to your ping list.

Thanks!

Ed


97 posted on 10/03/2017 5:02:38 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

Best book is “Case Closed” by Gerald Posner. He used a digital reenactment to correctly position the jump seat that Connally was riding in-—NOT directly in front of JFK but . . . down, and to the left, meaning there was no “magic bullet.” There was a normal, typical bullet that went in a straight line.

Combined with the audio, it pretty much ends this stuff.


98 posted on 10/03/2017 6:29:00 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: TruBluKentuckian

Always nice seein’ ya on a thread.

Ya’ll come back now, hear?


99 posted on 10/03/2017 6:29:50 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS
From LE press conference/briefing today, I did not see it but copying a comment from someone who watched it:

Explaining why it's taking so long, chain of custody...comment about "radicalizing" of the shooter and looking for its source.

Sounds as though they let the cat out of the bag there.

100 posted on 10/03/2017 7:01:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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