Posted on 06/11/2017 7:06:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Eliminating the Problem
How difficult is it to test autonomous vehicles (AVs) on public roads? Uber can probably tell you all about it. Much of the difficulty in obtaining the permits necessary for such tests comes from fear. Because self-driving technology is new, because the systems have been involved in incidents in the past, and so on, people aren’t quite ready to trust the tech.
The governor of Washington state, however, has a different perspective. Governor Jay Inslee signed an order on Wednesday that would allow for autonomous vehicle tests without a human driver behind the wheel. According to the governor’s official blog, the order could allow these tests to begin within the next two months. Self-driving system developers can already apply for permits for pilot program tests through the state’s Department of Licensing.....
(Excerpt) Read more at futurism.com ...
For decades now, airplanes takeoff and land autonomously.
DECADES
But they still have human pilots.
I wonder why? lol
You just watch. The totalitarian left is going to try to put an end to all private transport. Driverless cars - an idea so great, it’ll become mandatory.
Ok Mark Twain, If you are right about how perfect the driver-less cars are going to be, how much will those cars cost?! And how does a driver-less car present registration and proof of insurance at a traffic stop?
Gov. Inslee is not intelligent enough to hold office ...
Which is partly my point. As AI becomes more capable, the length of time to become educated will keep increasing and those insufficiently educated, which eventually becomes everybody, will not be able to compete.
What happens when nobody can compete with artificial intelligence that keeps getting better every 6 months?
Widespread outbreaks of hacking. With axes. Of intelligent machines.
And you are actually writing that humans do not program these operating systems?
They ARE connected to the internet. (Have you actually been in one?)
They do not have excellent safety records. They have no complete record at all. You are confusing one system of driver-assisted vehicles with autonomous systems. Did you read the article?
The “Majority User” straw man was not included in my post, and is not likely for decades. It will take a while for a majority of users to switch, and more autonomous vehicles will make the road safer, not less.
Sure, humans program the systems, but they are *not* continually putting different commands into the system.
I suspect fleets of the vehicles, such as Google and Uber are connected to the Internet, just as an easy way to collect data. The concept vehicles were designed *not* to need an internet connection, and it is a point of failure to *require* it.
As for *driver assisted* vehicles, you are assuming that the drive actually puts information into the system, which, as I recall from my reading, is *not* the way they work.
I have been reading about these systems since at least 2003, and I have been astounded by the capabilities that have been developed.
Conservatives are weird.
they’ll say, “liberalism is about feelings and conservativism is about logic...”
but then you ask them about robot cars and they say:
“the whole idea makes me feel creepy...I completely oppose it..”
that’s totally stupid.
I remember the same pattern when ATMs first came out, just look at how people adjusted to them.
I vastly prefer working with an ATM, which is basically a robot bank teller.
Mostly in California under Google, starting 2009.
They started with the DARPA Urban Challenge in 2007, so only a decade. (memory is a horrible thing to lose..)
You’ve got to have completely infallible software that can handle literally anything.
Ok Mark Twain, If you are right about how perfect the driver-less cars are going to be, how much will those cars cost?! And how does a driver-less car present registration and proof of insurance at a traffic stop?
As for presenting registration and proof of insurance, it will likely announce the numbers through the car radio, or send the message on blue tooth.
You just watch. The totalitarian left is going to try to put an end to all private transport. Driverless cars - an idea so great, it’ll become mandatory.
Yes, indeed. A very serious difficulty, one we will need to fight tooth and nail. No one mobilized against turning all our cell phones into personal tracking devices. It is an important thing to fight against.
That is a totally possible scenario.
Two months and we've got a new killer on the streets good to know - I'm skeptical but okay, I doubt it lasts it seems like the algorithms are predatory. And lawyers will love them.
I've been building robots and hooking them up to AI (ROS to Tensorflow) - self driving cars just seems like such a bad idea. Everyone talks about Artifical Intelligence - I'm worried more about Real Stupidity.
I hope I'm very wrong because it could make many lives better.
“If it doesn’t speed up when you try to pass it, I’m ok with it!”
Or my favorite, match your speed on your rear bumper when you try to change lanes.
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My ‘new favorites’ are the ones that won’t let you back in the lane when YOU get over for vehicle(s) on shoulder or pull over for an Emergency Vehicle.
Of course they just edge out the idiots with a phone pasted to their head or trying to maneuver while holding a phone in hand...
I want to blow horn at them BUT afraid they will ‘wake up’ and run into me....
"The target of the Jihad was a machine-attitude as much as the machines," Leto said. "Humans had set those machines to usurp our sense of beauty, our necessary selfdom out of which we make living judgments. Naturally, the machines were destroyed."[6]
Oh no its happening - I feel like this in my workshop often - I am one of the people trying to cause the problem or get rid of the illegals and still have nice wine and strawberries.
The machines won't make us happy, content have more time or any of the other supposed advantages - sure are fun/frustrating to build though - more worried about hackers though then my filter banks(neural networks) creating a singularity.
Just so nobody misses it:
I was wrong.
I said they were on the road for decades. That is not correct. The Urban Challenge by DARPA was in 2007, not 2006. Google had its fleet going in 2009. So it has only been about a decade for urban driving since it started. There has been a small fleet of cars in California since 2009, less than that in Nevada, and less than a year in Arizona. There are some small fleets overseas as well.
My error.
Wanna buy a robot?
Uber suspended their driverless car program two months ago after a crash in Arizona.
Uber suspended their driverless car program two months ago after a crash in Arizona.
https://www.wired.com/2017/03/uber-redeploys-self-driving-cars-wreck-arizona/
They also have a fleet in Pittsburg, and looks like they have some vehicles in California, but it is a tougher nut to crack.
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