Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

1945 Soviets vs Allied: Who Would Have Won?
Youtube ^ | Feb 9, 2016 | zvallid

Posted on 01/26/2017 1:06:09 PM PST by Rebelbase

On 8 may 1945, Germany surrenders.WWII in Europe is over. Europe is divided in half. Soviet in the east, Allied in the West.

But Who would have won if war broke out between the Allied and Soviets if they decided to declare all out war against each other in May 1945?

Allied even prepared a battle plain: Operation Unthinkable was a code name of a plan of a conflict between the Western Allies and the Soviet Union.

- SUBTITLES AVAILABLE -


TOPICS: History; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 1945; alternativehistory; europe; redarmy
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-102 next last
To: Rebelbase

We would have.

They were very weakened from the losses of the prior two years, their manufacturing base was not good. And we had the bomb and we’d have used it.

Shoulda kept going. Patton was right.


81 posted on 01/26/2017 3:47:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rebelbase

We had, and had used nuclear weapons.....WE WIN !!!!


82 posted on 01/26/2017 3:53:21 PM PST by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mouser

Attack what from Alaska? In 1945 western Siberia was one of the most remote places on earth. There was nothing there and no way to get anywhere.


83 posted on 01/26/2017 4:01:12 PM PST by Rebelbase (ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/PBS/CNN/FOX are THE LEGACY MEDIA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Rebelbase

I did not know that there was an alt.history ping list here on FR.
Please add me to it.
Thank you.


84 posted on 01/26/2017 4:13:02 PM PST by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Rebelbase

That was fun.


85 posted on 01/26/2017 5:05:13 PM PST by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Radix

We would have won especially if we fought defensively and bled the Soviets. The idea that they would be able to move over 100 km per day is a bit unbelievable, not because of terrain but because their supply lines would have been under constant air assault. The US could have brought carriers into the Black Sea to attack the southern Soviet Union where they had their oil fields and cut them off from the Ploesti fields in Romania. Also the Ukranian wheat fields could also have been attacked and the Soviets would have lost their breadbasket along with their US food source. Starved of fuel and food the Soviets would not be able to sustain their forces in the field. Under the scenario, after the Soviets retreated to try to defend the Rodina, they would have been within reach of heavy bombers as Allied forces put pressure on the front and the Soviets are starved of food and supplies. Then Leningrad and Moscow both would have been within range for atomic bombs.

The video, which was entertaining concentrates on war materials logistics but forgets an army travels on its stomach and the Soviets would not have been able to feed themselves especially if the US decided to firebomb the wheat fields as well as the oil fields.


86 posted on 01/26/2017 5:35:39 PM PST by JMS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: JMS

Somewhat agree with that but in the vast area you are talking about firebombing wheat fields is not going to make an impact.


87 posted on 01/26/2017 6:12:26 PM PST by nomorelurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: Rebelbase

My dad was with the 1st hq g-2. They engaged the Russians in CZ. He said they had no fight left in them and they were done. We could have rolled into st Pete without breaking a sweat.


88 posted on 01/26/2017 7:10:35 PM PST by rebelskid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rebelskid

I’ve read similar accounts from Americans that encountered Soviet troops in Czechoslovakia; they described women leading Far Eastern minority troops (who barely spoke Russian). The Soviets had lost too many men to continue fighting; even their famed drive on berlin was basically slowly advancing depleted infantry units behind a rolling artillery barrage that destroyed everything in its path.

The wholesale looting of eastern Europe at the end of the war, where Soviets basically shipped anything that couldn’t be nailed down back to the USSR, gives an idea as to what they were facing at home; they stripped factories bare because their economy was so fouled up.


89 posted on 01/26/2017 7:50:00 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: RedWulf
"because both the Soviets and the allies covered up Russian war crimes after the war. "

Just asking, would that include invading Poland from the East in Sept 1939? I'm trying to think.....something like initiating a "War of Aggression." Yea, that's it!

90 posted on 01/26/2017 7:53:01 PM PST by crazy scenario (We can't take you anywhere)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: JMS

The Soviet truce with Finland gives an idea as to their situation in 1944-45; they could have taken the country (”taken back”, in their minds - it was part of Russia in WWI), but would have lost too much doing so. Instead they took some territory and Finland remained the only Axis ally who fought against the USSR to remain free at the end of the war.

They were truly worn down; besides those lost fighting the Axis, they had also killed so many of their own (in Ukraine, for example).


91 posted on 01/26/2017 7:53:54 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: crazy scenario

>Just asking, would that include invading Poland from the East in Sept 1939? I’m trying to think.....something like initiating a “War of Aggression.” Yea, that’s it!

At the Nuremberg trials we allowed the soviets to accuse the German defendants of the Katlan(spelling?) Forest massacre of Polish officers. We knew at the time that the Russians where responsible for the murders. That’s the most public of the many Soviet crimes we hid for them.


92 posted on 01/26/2017 8:18:01 PM PST by RedWulf (TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: Ancesthntr

“We could have easily - with total air and naval superiority - landed a million guys in the Soviet Far East and taken over all of Siberia”

The reality of that single sentence, which so easily and thoughtlessly written, staggers the mind. We could have easily taken over all of Siberia.
Utterly insane.


93 posted on 01/26/2017 10:04:33 PM PST by DesertRhino
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: HomerBohn

“If the Reuther brothers had kept their commie noses out of Europe following the days after the end of hostilities against Germany”

After what the Nazi armies did in Russia... honestly, I think if I was in their position, I would hold every square inch I took, create a buffer from European invasions, and rule with an iron fist for a few decades. I’d be a dick.


94 posted on 01/26/2017 10:19:33 PM PST by DesertRhino
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: Secret Agent Man

“Shoulda kept going. Patton was right.”

You’d be hard pressed to find 5% of the US Army in 1945 that would agree that bright idea. They were already working hard to prevent mutiny over the soldiers being told they were going to the pacific to fight the Japanese.


95 posted on 01/26/2017 10:51:32 PM PST by DesertRhino
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: DesertRhino

Hitler was a disaster there’s no question about that. Had the man been sane and had a good heart Europe might be much better off today. Hitler ended up fighting everyone on multiple fronts.

As far as the evil USSR is concerned he should have concentrated on that front alone, but then the bleeding liberal hearts in Washington and London would have jumped in anyway.

Japan was another matter entirely.


96 posted on 01/27/2017 6:02:34 AM PST by HomerBohn (Shove a slinky down the stairs, then a leftist. Both actions will bring smiles to your face.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

To: Rebelbase

I too didn’t know there is an alt.history ping list here on FR.
Please add me to it.
Thank You


97 posted on 01/27/2017 9:22:54 AM PST by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: henkster; colorado tanker; x; Rebelbase; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; ...
henkster: "There was no political will on the part of the Allies to fight the USSR.
And the Soviets were exhausted from the war.
Nobody would win because this was a fight that would never have happened.
Henkster’s Law."

Correct, and must say, this is total Nazi wet-dream propaganda.
It's what Goebbels, Himmler, Goering & company wished would happen at the end of WWII.
It's what people like Himmler tried to negotiate at the end -- "let's Allies and Ruskies fight another war, so German Nazism can be preserved!"

The fact is that in 1945 no American or British soldier wanted to fight yet another war, and no US politician was willing to order them into one.
Rooskies were totally exhausted, and besides, Soviet control of Eastern Europe had already been agreed to by Roosevelt and Churchill.
Truman was not going to reverse that.

And suggesting Stalin would have broken his agreements in the face of US nuclear power is to imply that Stalin was just as insane as Hitler -- which he certainly was not.

Years ago I stood in the Fulda Gap, training for a Soviet tank invasion which, thankfully, never came.
My opinion of the old Soviets is that while, bullies and aggressive, they were a far cry from today's lunatic jihadis.

So the US would be vastly better off teaming up with Ruskies again, against jihadis, than in fantasizing Nazi wet-dream end-of-war propaganda about fighting a Hot War III against Stalin!

98 posted on 01/28/2017 2:51:22 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: henkster; colorado tanker; x; Rebelbase; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg
Indeed, let's take this whole thought-process a little further:

Any student of history knows that today's Jihadis are the children of Hitler's Nazis married to radical Islam.
They are modern-day Nazis, and this propaganda work is a product of Nazi fantasies, intended to keep Russian & western allies from uniting against them.

Listen carefully: when our new President says, "wouldn't it be nice?" if we could team up with Russians, he's talking about WWII all over again -- that's how we defeated Nazism back then, and it's how we can defeat the sons-of-Nazism (jihadis) today.

So don't be eager, or quick, to fantasize major war against Russians.
We may well need those people, yet again, to help us with a much more insane enemy.

99 posted on 01/28/2017 3:14:25 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies]

To: PAR35

“Blood and Guts is Going Nuts,” by Christopher Leopold, 1978. Patton invades Russia after World War II. Used on Amazon.

I read this book years ago. If I’m remembering the correct book, he had imaginary conversations with Guderian.


100 posted on 01/28/2017 3:15:42 AM PST by PLMerite
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-102 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson