What A Seceded California Might Look Like

Resistance Feed ^ | 12-22-2016 | Rhett October

[qam1]

It appears that California pays more federal taxes than they get federal tax revenues.

You see this argument all the time saying Blue states contribute more than they receive. Red States don't. It's not exactly true.

It's not that California pays more in federal taxes than they receive, it's more taxes are paid from California than they receive back..

There's a significant difference.

For example, if I buy an iphone in Alabama that was manufactured in China and shipped through Florida, since Apple's headquarters are in California, even though that iPhone never set foot in California, California gets credit for the taxes paid on the profits from the sale.

Likewise a movie could be filmed in Houston and since the studio is in Los Angles, California gets credit.

So basically such statistics on who pays what are meaningless. If California left, even if Apple & others kept their company World headquarters in California, they would open United States Headquarters in some other states and pay and US taxes there.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Why is it that when there is talk of Texas seceding from the Union, all the usual suspects and the MSM go @pe$h!t and start waving the Constitution?

But when California starts talking about it because of who got elected as president, the same bunch of loonies say, "Hmmmm...now maybe this could work."

[vladimir998]

“On what do you base this conclusion?”

History. The last time it happened, we had a civil war.

“The illegal immigration issue is not the same as the slavery issue.”

No one said it was - and the civil war was NOT about slavery. It was about secession. There was no civil war under secession began. Do you not know the history of the United States?

“Slavery was morally wrong. Illegal immigration is morally wrong.”

You’re missing the point. SECESSION LEADS TO CIVIL WAR. It doesn’t matter what leads to the secession. Slavery, illegal immigration, Star Wars VIII, dropping the designated hitter rule, it doesn’t matter.

“But ending slavery and ending illegal immigration are not really comparable.”

Your comment is pointless since no one was claiming there were comparable. But civil war over secession is exactly comparable to civil war over secession. See how that works?

[MNJohnnie]

That is $1,239 per California resident more than what California gets from the U.S.

Not actually true. The "study" the Leftists love to cite on this does not include all the money that goes into CA as part of the Defense budget. there is quite a bit of spending hidden in the Defense budget that is only marginally connected to Defense.

[Little Ray]

California is the seventh largest economy in the world, and one of the ‘least dependent’ states on Federal funds; if it stopped paying Federal taxes and collected that revenue for itself, it might make a go of it.

Neah. But I’d like to see ‘em try.

[A Formerly Proud Canadian]

Don’t be a concern troll. Take a look North of the border. Québec has threatened separation for decades. Because of decades of socialist governments in that Province, businesses have fled Québec. The Feds (using MY tax dollars) continue to bankroll their annual deficits to the tune of approximately $8 billion last year. Eventually, the younger people left the Province, only to discover that the ‘big, bad, h’Anglish ROC (rest is of Canada)’ was not so big and bad. Some have returned with the news, but most have left, only returning for Christmas and vacations. Eventually, the die hard socialist separatists, who are becoming quite long in the tooth, will meet their maker (though, being atheistic socialists, it won’t be a positive experience).

Cannabisfornia sounds very much like Québec. Just keep giving ‘em money and they’ll remain. Eventually, hopefully the adults will regain control of the Legislature and some of the stupid spending and regulations will cease. If PEOTUS DJT follows through in his commitment to cut Fed funding to States that disobey federal laws, Cannabisfornia will soon toe the line.

[CapitalistCrusader]

Can you try to not be so obnoxious?

You did not even try to address the salient point. The US of the early 21st is very different politically and economically than the US of the mid 19th century. Lincoln recognized that the North and South could not exist separately. The South was either unwilling or unable to recognize that it couldn’t exist without northern industry. Obviously there were other proximate causes but we don’t have the space here to analyze them all.

In this case, why would the secession of California lead to a civil war? Try to use reason and cite some evidence. Simply saying that a secession effort led to The Civil War is not an argument.

[Salvavida]

Actually it isn’t a bad idea to talk things out. Civil war isn’t the worst possible outcome if it reforms the collective thinking. There is no way California’s policies are sustainable, and they should not be sustained by the rest of the states.

[DIRTYSECRET]

A caveat: Calif would not have to pay for it’s own defense. Monroe Doctrine.

[Gay State Conservative]

In five years it would look exactly like Guadalajara.

[Joe Bfstplk]

No foreign aid to a seceded California. Or any California.

[gr8eman]

Actually that is California’s citizens who pay it.

[gr8eman]

The rest of the U.S. would no longer be infected by CA liberalism

Are you kidding? Once the price of food quadruples there would be hordes of commies invading like locusts!

[seastay]

Leaving the union would further open the state to anarchy , Mexican gangs would run the state. Even now stores are having to use their own security, thugs to rough up shop lifters, because theft form a store has been reduced to just a citation , the courts and jails are too overcrowded, police wont respond. I know that one of the largest grocery chains, refusing to pay insurance or hire under the table protection has told their employees not to engage or try to prevent shoplifting, a business decision accepting millions of dollars of theft as the cost to do business in the state. Another example, the city of Maywood , 2/3 illegal immigrants were getting too many DUIs, so to fix the problem they disbanded the police department... its only going to get worse, especially if CA were to leave the union, the union which provides its citizens the constitution will be gutted, there will be no law and order, and such a rouge state would be a threat to the rest of the US, essentially annexing with Mexico thus increasing the Mexican and border by 30 percent, creating another eho,e geographic region with 30 million new refugees who will need to flee into the safe harbors of the heartland,

[Salman]

If California secedes from the USA, does the “Inland Empire” secede from California?

[walkingdead]

This may sound weird, but CA secession may very well be the road to fixing CA.

If they tried to seceed, many Californians would NOT want to leave the good ole USA. If the CA gov’t woke up one day and said “you are no longer citizens of the United States” I believe many Californians would try to leave....mostly the tax paying ones.

I do not believe CA could stay afloat without the working taxpayers. Thus they would have to forbid them from leaving. That would in essence start a hot war in the state, which may be one of the only ways to bring this once great state back to its former glory (before the commies took it over).

[cgbg]

This could become a hilarious negotiation—Rodney Dangerfield redux—”Please, you take Riverside—and San Bernardino” :-)

[ridesthemiles]

Remove the taxes paid by Hollywood & it’s members, and see what the numbers look like Also the professional athletes.

IF you have a state of 30million people, of which 11 or more million are illegal invaders, then you do not have everyday people paying that kind of income tax to the Feds.

[WKUHilltopper]

Let the people who want to secede...let them secede. We keep the land, assets, etc.

I’m sure Mexico will welcome them...even North Korea.

[GreenHornet]

A caveat: Calif would not have to pay for it’s own defense. Monroe Doctrine.

If they did secede, I wonder if the liberal loons out there would even permit California to have a military.