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1 posted on 12/19/2016 11:27:57 AM PST by Sean_Anthony
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Its been reconquered by Mexico


2 posted on 12/19/2016 11:30:02 AM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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Neutron bombs.

From orbit.

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3 posted on 12/19/2016 11:30:34 AM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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We are stuck with California. Even if they secede, they won't like it since they would have to maintain borders & generate operating funds from a lazy and slothful citizenry.

...I'm afraid we're stuck with them and they are stuck with us.

I'm not going there again.

4 posted on 12/19/2016 11:33:28 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (....give war a chance.....)
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It’s not all of California; it’s a few enclaves of progressivism and foreign nationals dominance.


5 posted on 12/19/2016 11:35:33 AM PST by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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It has become Mexifornia.
Unless we get serious and deport ALL the illegal aliens, not just those convicted of other crimes here, the rest of the country will fall as well.


6 posted on 12/19/2016 11:36:59 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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I think San Andreas will decide that


7 posted on 12/19/2016 11:37:46 AM PST by doug from upland (Hillary, get the hell off the stage!)
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Build the wall, deport the illegals in prison, and remove incentives that lure these people here.

Enact Federal laws that punish those that hire illegal immigrants and those politicians that commit treason by giving them sanctuary.

We need to stop playing this suicidal game and get serious.

8 posted on 12/19/2016 11:39:22 AM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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Northern California should take advantage of the California secession movement and split from Southern California.


9 posted on 12/19/2016 11:39:26 AM PST by joshua c (Cut the cord! Don't pay for the rope they hang you with.)
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If we can kick out the western third of the state, we would be better off.


10 posted on 12/19/2016 11:40:10 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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The observations parallel my experience from having moved to Cal in the mid 70s. I left in 90 to follow my pay check but by that time the handwriting was on the wall. Besides having Reagan as Governor they even had a republicans as Senators. I recall Hayakowa and Wilson and then came the jerks led by Boxer and Finestein and to be followed by the even worse Harris. Of course whom could forget that other dimbulb Alan Cranston. The only good news is they only have 2% of the senate from that lefty state.


11 posted on 12/19/2016 11:40:20 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws maintain the status quo now.)
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1. Close the borders
2. Deport
3. Remove bennies from illegals
4. Defund sanctuary cities
5. Invalidate DLs for illegals
6. Shut down motor voter in states with DLs for illegals
7. Prosecute foreigners who register to vote
8. Prosecute foreigners who vote

This will help drain CA


12 posted on 12/19/2016 11:42:50 AM PST by Suz in AZ
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The dems own the state, but Latinos will own CA via the ballot box, soon.


13 posted on 12/19/2016 11:44:08 AM PST by umgud (ban all infidelaphobics)
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Trade San Francisco, Sacramento, Alameda and Los Angles Counties to Communist China for US Treasury bonds, Wall them off and sell them water food and power at what the market will bear.

Split the rest up into Jefferson State (North) and two others (Central & South).

16 posted on 12/19/2016 11:55:14 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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Forcibly separate the hyper-liberal coastal corridor between SF and LA from the rest of the state and cede it to Mexico. The rest of the state can remain in the Union.


22 posted on 12/19/2016 12:03:19 PM PST by ScottinVA
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The Calexit types haven’t given consideration to the fact the time of “independence” for that state will last all of a nanosecond, as Mexico will lay claim to it immediately.


23 posted on 12/19/2016 12:05:55 PM PST by ScottinVA
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California needs an intervention.


24 posted on 12/19/2016 12:08:25 PM PST by BoomerBill (Keep America beautiful - deport a liberal.)
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Is there any way to estimate how the vote would have went without the Reagan amnesty?


25 posted on 12/19/2016 12:15:12 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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California is making the mistake of believing their own propaganda. They are under the delusion that they are superior to and already independent of the United States. They are in for a rude awakening as America under Trump has a lot of big sticks to beat California like a rented mule until they reverse course.

Water is California’s Achilles Heel. Southern California gets most of its water from the Colorado River in Arizona and Arizona would take it all. Imagine Arizona becoming an agricultural powerhouse while the Imperial Valley returned to desert while people in L.A. start building latrines because water is too valuable to flush. It is doubtful that Northern California would be willing to share its water with SoCal because they have their grapes to grow. There would be starvation because no water means no food.

Electricity is another California weakness. California imports more electricity than any other state, primarily hydroelectric power from states in the Pacific Northwest and coal- and natural gas-fired production from the desert Southwest via Path. It is doubtful that Californians want to sit in the dark when the windmills don’t have any wind. California does have quite a bit of electricity generation fueled by natural gas but the entire state’s natural gas and oil supply arrives through pipelines coming from Texas and those would be shut down in hours. California imports 2/3rds of its oil and gas and during hostilities they will not be getting any from the United States and they certainly will not be getting it from ocean oil tankers or Mexico. The US Navy is still by far the largest in the world and the blockade of California’s ports would be total. It is likely that the US military would move seize Mexican and California territory in order to isolate it from Mexico as well. Californians will be burning redwoods and trash for cooking. It would take years for California to develop its oil and gas industries and that is time that will not be given to them.

Unfortunately for California’s new citizens, many California-based companies are incorporated in Delaware, for the lower tax rates. Also, the US government would pressure all companies that want to do business in the US to move all operations and jobs to other states in the US. America has over a hundred years of enforcing sanctions and trade embargos on foreign countries around the world and every bit of that expertise and malice will be brought to bear on California. America will be able to do this because it has seven times the GDP of California and there is no corporation or trading partner is going to give up seven customers for one. Expect to be cut off from the banking system, very few if any countries would recognize a California passport, and there would be no commercial airline service even if the US Air Force was not shooting down anything that tried to fly. California makes a lot of money off of the internet and access to that will be cut off as well and even the best internet business model in the world means nothing if nobody can access it.

The only hope California would have to secede is if they could convince other states to join them which is highly unlikely because these smaller states would necessarily be dominated and diminished by the 40 million Californians. Another option would be for California to become the protectorate of another nation but which one, China, Russia, Mexico? What sane person would want that? On the flip side the United States could promise Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona that California will be broken up and granted to the three states, thereby giving Arizona and Nevada access to the Pacific which is way better than anything California could offer.

Geography also enforces America’s military advantage over California. The United States is the only country with thousands of miles of ocean separating it from anyone else with an army, navy or air force to speak of and that leaves California alone, on the same continent with America. America will have still have access to both the Pacific and the Atlantic, the breadbasket of the Midwest, the Mississippi River, the longest navigable river in the world, the industrial heartland, vast reserves of oil, natural gas, and coal, and 280 million people who would love the chance to live on the California coast.

California is a great and powerful state but it is very entwined with and dependent upon the rest of the country economically. It has not evolved as an independent nation and the process of transformation into a nation state will take a far longer amount of time than America will give it. The best advice for California is to STFU about CalExit because you are just sounding stupid.


26 posted on 12/19/2016 12:20:25 PM PST by WMarshal ( Schadenfreude, it feels so good!)
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Make it America again!


27 posted on 12/19/2016 12:24:51 PM PST by Lopeover (The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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Break it into 3 parts.


29 posted on 12/19/2016 12:26:41 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Trump discriminates against non-successful people.)
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