Posted on 12/19/2016 11:27:57 AM PST by Sean_Anthony
Well, California has become an aberration in the United States. California doesn’t want the United States, and the United States doesn’t particularly want California
When I moved here over 30 years ago, this was a fabulous state. It had about half the population, the towns in the San Francisco Bay Area were actual separate towns, the highways carried the traffic pretty well, there was adequate water in the reservoirs despite a three year repeating rain and drought cycle, and the governors were Republican. Illegal aliens back then weren’t as big a problem. They couldn’t get driver licenses, or vote because no one checked I.D., or be harbored as fugitives by “sanctuary cities.” Racist advocacy groups such as La Raza were no where near as prominent, students didn’t march down the streets behind flags of Mexico demanding that the vote for President be overturned, and we weren’t all identified, divided, and ruled as separate skin colors by our state government.
Forcibly separate the hyper-liberal coastal corridor between SF and LA from the rest of the state and cede it to Mexico. The rest of the state can remain in the Union.
The Calexit types haven’t given consideration to the fact the time of “independence” for that state will last all of a nanosecond, as Mexico will lay claim to it immediately.
California needs an intervention.
Is there any way to estimate how the vote would have went without the Reagan amnesty?
California is making the mistake of believing their own propaganda. They are under the delusion that they are superior to and already independent of the United States. They are in for a rude awakening as America under Trump has a lot of big sticks to beat California like a rented mule until they reverse course.
Water is California’s Achilles Heel. Southern California gets most of its water from the Colorado River in Arizona and Arizona would take it all. Imagine Arizona becoming an agricultural powerhouse while the Imperial Valley returned to desert while people in L.A. start building latrines because water is too valuable to flush. It is doubtful that Northern California would be willing to share its water with SoCal because they have their grapes to grow. There would be starvation because no water means no food.
Electricity is another California weakness. California imports more electricity than any other state, primarily hydroelectric power from states in the Pacific Northwest and coal- and natural gas-fired production from the desert Southwest via Path. It is doubtful that Californians want to sit in the dark when the windmills don’t have any wind. California does have quite a bit of electricity generation fueled by natural gas but the entire state’s natural gas and oil supply arrives through pipelines coming from Texas and those would be shut down in hours. California imports 2/3rds of its oil and gas and during hostilities they will not be getting any from the United States and they certainly will not be getting it from ocean oil tankers or Mexico. The US Navy is still by far the largest in the world and the blockade of California’s ports would be total. It is likely that the US military would move seize Mexican and California territory in order to isolate it from Mexico as well. Californians will be burning redwoods and trash for cooking. It would take years for California to develop its oil and gas industries and that is time that will not be given to them.
Unfortunately for California’s new citizens, many California-based companies are incorporated in Delaware, for the lower tax rates. Also, the US government would pressure all companies that want to do business in the US to move all operations and jobs to other states in the US. America has over a hundred years of enforcing sanctions and trade embargos on foreign countries around the world and every bit of that expertise and malice will be brought to bear on California. America will be able to do this because it has seven times the GDP of California and there is no corporation or trading partner is going to give up seven customers for one. Expect to be cut off from the banking system, very few if any countries would recognize a California passport, and there would be no commercial airline service even if the US Air Force was not shooting down anything that tried to fly. California makes a lot of money off of the internet and access to that will be cut off as well and even the best internet business model in the world means nothing if nobody can access it.
The only hope California would have to secede is if they could convince other states to join them which is highly unlikely because these smaller states would necessarily be dominated and diminished by the 40 million Californians. Another option would be for California to become the protectorate of another nation but which one, China, Russia, Mexico? What sane person would want that? On the flip side the United States could promise Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona that California will be broken up and granted to the three states, thereby giving Arizona and Nevada access to the Pacific which is way better than anything California could offer.
Geography also enforces America’s military advantage over California. The United States is the only country with thousands of miles of ocean separating it from anyone else with an army, navy or air force to speak of and that leaves California alone, on the same continent with America. America will have still have access to both the Pacific and the Atlantic, the breadbasket of the Midwest, the Mississippi River, the longest navigable river in the world, the industrial heartland, vast reserves of oil, natural gas, and coal, and 280 million people who would love the chance to live on the California coast.
California is a great and powerful state but it is very entwined with and dependent upon the rest of the country economically. It has not evolved as an independent nation and the process of transformation into a nation state will take a far longer amount of time than America will give it. The best advice for California is to STFU about CalExit because you are just sounding stupid.
Make it America again!
You know what, a lot of us who believe in states rights will be on CA side in a secession. I want them to leave ASAP without any strings attached. The rest of the USA would be so much better of. But if the USA lifts one finger militarily to stop CA you'll have a much bigger problem on your hand then just CA secession. I hope you unionists are ready for it.
Break it into 3 parts.
It was invaded by northeastern liberals (NYC in particular) first, who paved the way for the Mexico invasion.
Liberalism kills and they proved it now they will learn that we have rules for a reason.
My 2005 thoughts.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1377367/posts
Well on that point prop 187 was in many ways last stand..and the that was not the California voter.. that was liberal judge overruling the California voter
And we also had the Prototype in California of the ball less politically correct GOPe that doesn’t fight back ....remember Arnold and McClintock and the recall?
The recall was driven by the Grassroots...and the CA GOPe first oppose the recall( remember Busb and Rove opposing the recall) then then Co optitude the recall with Arnold. that turned into the national model for the GOPe... we just beat that back right now with Trump
And then we have Teddy Kennedy’s immigration bill
Once the dissolution of The United States starts, where does it end? California is wealthy due a large part being part of the US and Info one will not be content to see it go. I spend a lot of time in California and it is an integral part of my country PERIOD.
If West Virginia could split off from Virginia in 1861, why can’t JEFFERSON split from California!
Nobody is going to die to keep a state IN the union.
Interesting, we will ignore all the liberal crap going on in all the other states and rag on California again,let all those that have no issues in their own states cast the first stone.
Us “Unionists” as you call us are even more ready than the last time. Would you want VIrginia to secede and become part of North Mexico? The demographics of invasion are working against you as well.
You are throwing ridiculous hypotheticals out there. A sign of a weak argument. Calm down. Nobody is going to die for a failed union cause. If Ca. votes to secede ain’t a damn thing you are going to do about it.
Almost all of our problems go back to the lunatic democrat politicians catering to the illegal alien population here. We’re going broke because of it.
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