Hillary vs the NRA

Gun Watch ^ | 21 September, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

Hillary Clinton has picked a fight with the NRA and Second Amendment supporters.  It was not required.  From 1995 to 2012, the Democrats had shied away from public fights with the NRA, because of the severe beating at the polls they took in 1994.  It can be argued that the the Democrats gained the presidency of Barack Obama because they stayed quiet on Second Amendment issues during his elections.  But after being re-elected in 2012, Obama and the Democrats fiercely attacked the NRA.  They lost big in the 2014 mid-terms.

Hillary must believe that the demographics have flipped in her favor, and she can attack the NRA, claim she respects the Second Amendment, and say that the Supreme Court was wrong in holding that the Second Amendment is an individual right, all at the same time, and gain votes.

Here is the clip where she says the enemy that she is most proud of making is the NRA.

Link to video

Her problem is that she is not trusted nearly as much as the NRA.  Her favorability rating is between 10 and 20 points below that for the NRA. In spite of surveys that have been widely circulated in "progressive" circles, gun ownership is likely at some of the highest levels ever in the United States.

The other problem is that Second Amendment supporters are highly motivated, and often single issue voters.  Gun haters, on the other hand, are not nearly as motivated, are a much smaller group, and are almost all in the Democrat base to start with.

Trump, on the other hand, has been consistently pro-Second Amendment during the campaign.  He has high unfavorables; but an NRA endorsement works to raise him up, and against Hillary.

The extent to which the establishment media and Hillary allies are spinning her position on the NRA and the Second Amendment are extraordinary.  Politifact is a good example.  From Politifact:

Speaker: NRA

Statement: Says Hillary Clinton “doesn’t believe in your right to keep a gun at home for self-defense.”

Ruling: Clinton has never said that. The NRA cited a recording of her saying she disagreed with a Supreme Court case affirming some gun rights, but the same recording shows Clinton is clearly talking about concerns other than keeping a gun at home for self-defense. She specifically talks about someone going armed to a grocery store. We rate this claim False.

Politfact conveniently ignores that Hillary is a lawyer, and the Heller case did not make a finding about people going to the store with an AK47.  The case was all about the right of the people to own guns in their home for self defense.  She said:

"So I’m going to speak out. … The Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment, and I am going to make my case on that every chance I get."

Politifact then goes on to claim that Hillary's statement in 2015, long after the Heller decision in 2008, was the same as the Bush administration concerns about the case before it was decided.

Politifact makes the unconvincing argument that President Bush could not be against the right to self defense in the home before the decision was made (far from proven). Therefore Hillary's statement years after the decision, which was all about the individual right to self defense in the home, could not be against self defense in the home.

The argument simply makes no logical sense.  What does President Bush have to do with the question?  What does his position before the decision was made, have to do with Hillary's definitive statement years after the decision was settled law?  This is what passes for a defense of Hillary's stand on the Second Amendment.

The Washington Post echoed politifact's argument.

The NRA ad will resonate with voters.  It is not that the NRA has a direct quote of Hillary Clinton saying that she wants to confiscate all American's guns in her first term.  No one, at least until recently, would believe that Hillary would be so stupid as to say such a thing directly.

But very few believe what Hillary says, because the vast majority of people know that she is a liar with a long history of lies.  When some one catches her in an unguarded moment saying that she believes the Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment, they believe her.  They do not believe she is making some nuanced policy that is really Republican.

If it comes to a choice between Hillary and the NRA, the NRA wins.

©2016 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included.

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[marktwain]

“There isn’t any good faith negotiation and everybody knows it.”

That point is what needs to be hammered home again and again.

[ozzymandus]

Hillary hasn’t got much else to campaign on. The MSM loves gun control, so there you go. The RATS are reduced to dragging out ex-beauty queens turned criminal and claiming Trump is on cocaine, so they have to appeal to the gun control sissies.

[GoldenPup]

Hillary must believe that the demographics have flipped in her favor

The only thing that’s flipped is......Hitlery!

[thorvaldr]

” It is not that the NRA has a direct quote of Hillary Clinton saying that she wants to confiscate all American’s guns in her first term.”

Except we do. I have seen her hold up Australia as a model we should follow. Guess what happened in Australia. That’s right, gun confiscation.

[marktwain]

Even in Australia, they did not confiscate all the guns, and they did not go door to door confiscating guns.

They confiscated less than 20% of the guns.

What they did was put in place extremely rigid, difficult policies to obtain, keep, and use guns.

But those policies failed to keep Australians from buying, keeping , and using guns. There are more gun owners in Australia now than there were then, and just as many legal guns, though not as many legal types of guns.

[publius911]

I love the graphic about the NRA.

The favorable flipped to exceed unfavorable between 1994 and 1997...

Now let me think... who was president at that time?

Thinking...
Still thinking...

I know!

Hillary Dianne Rotten!
And her husband!!

Who'da thought?

[publius911]

As a 16-year Freeper, you might want to rephrase that.

Think "lampposts..."

[publius911]

What's AWB?

I am a life member of AAAAA, and can't do acronyms...

[marktwain]

Assault Weapon Ban

[Billthedrill]

What's AWB?

Sorry, Assault Weapons Ban of '94. It gave us all a very clear idea of the way the thing was headed, and just how treacherous the gun control side in general and the Clintons in particular, were. The initial spin was that they were working with the NRA to create a "reasonable, common-sense" bill - sound familiar? - anyway, as soon as it passed the spin reversed 180 degrees and it was, "We stood up to the evil NRA and beat them." BJ Billy actually was quoted as saying "I'm going to stretch this as far as I can," and that's exactly what they did.

Now, that left the NRA leadership in a decidedly awkward position, both with its members, who realized full well that they'd been suckered, and with the media, who were definitely using the thing to mock and undermine said leadership with an eye to discrediting the organization. What actually happened was a change in leadership and a hardening of position. And the NRA came out of the thing stronger, more determined, and in the full knowledge that compromise on the issue only led to betrayal.