Posted on 04/12/2016 4:15:32 PM PDT by Biggirl
NEW YORK — Donald Trump on Tuesday slammed the chairman of the Republican National Committee, claiming the party's system for selecting its presidential nominee is a “scam” and a “disgrace.” During an exclusive interview with The Hill at Trump Tower, Trump said, “It's a disgrace for the party. And Reince Priebus should be ashamed of himself. He should be ashamed of himself because he knows what's going on.”
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From what I have seen lately, it could be said about Mr. Trump that "He should be ashamed of himself because he doesn't know what's going on."
The Colorado delegate selection was not the voters having an input, it was a DC centered political party telling it's citizens they were selecting for them, no input wanted
I've read and heard the argument, it's by the rules so we must accept it. Yet, using such an argument, we also must accept Abortion, Omnibus Spending bills, Executive Actions and Obamacare. Well, I don't accept the argument.
The main reason I've evolved to a Trump supporter is the hope we can return to exactly what the Founding Fathers had intended. I see no chance of that happening with any of the other DC owned candidates.
>>> I suspect he is a stooge for the Clintons.
Get serious. I am not a fan of Trump’s ego, but one thing it indicates is that he is no man’s stooge.
I respect your opinion RT, In spite of my anti-Trump ramblings, I am NOT a #nevertrumper.
If Trump can't win, no one other than an establishment one worlder can, and we have no choice but to separate.
He WONT get hosed. We can’t take the risk of a third party yet.
WE WILL get him the nomination. HE CAN get 1237 and we WILL show in Cleveland and bring down HELL if games are played.
He is taking this delegate thing seriously now and getting the right people to fight back. Spend some money on it, and win, Trump.
That’s that.
No they gave Kasich money to stay in so he could keep Ohio’s 66 delegates from Trump. They also let him stay in case he can get some delegates in PA or NY. Cruz can’t get any there.
I have a feeling that Cruz has a significantly higher number of delegates than votes. So what is your point? To repeat a talking point sent to you in your daily Cruz You Can Use email?
Actually, the opposite may have been the case.
I doubt the party leaders expected anything close to 65,000 people participating in the process.
Evidently most of the delegates elected to the state convention were not party regulars because they selected a nominee for U.S. Senate who defeated the establishment's candidate by 70/30.
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I think the point Mr. Limbaugh was making was that the republican party is just like any other organization in that it is operated on a set of rules designed to protect the position of the individuals who run it. You can look at almost any corporation, civic organization, charity, or even your local school board and find the same characteristics. Organizations are designed to protect the control of those who have control. Just think of how an attempt at a hostile takeover of one of Mr. Trump’s corporate entities would be met. Think back to the time when Carly Fiorina was ousted from Hewlett Packard.
His further point was that to take over an organization, you must study the governing rules and use those rules to defeat the existing leadership. You can’t successfully take over by fighting against the rules, you must learn to make those rules work for you. In addition, you are doomed to failure if you have any expectation that those running the organization are going to willingly give up power. As with the republican party, you might prevent them from winning an election, but that will not cause them to loose their hold on the party nor will the party disappear.
The Colorado delegate selection was a prime example of what he was talking about. The party leaders had attempted through selection rules to insure their chosen candidate, likely Gov. Bush, would get the delegates. They did not factor in Mr. Trump nor Senator Cruz. Those two took a different approach with Mr. Trump fighting from the outside and being shut out just as the party insiders had planned. Senator Cruz took the opposite approach and use the rules to gain control of the entire delegation. While the Trump forces have attempted to create the false impression that Cruz was co opted by the establishment, the delegates are actually his loyalist not the establishment’s.
While the nominee of the political party will become leader of the party, they can only retain that leadership if they win the presidency. It is ironic that by Mr. Trump and Senator Cruz combined having over 80 percent of the delegates they have control of the party locked up unless they give it away. If either gets the nomination and the other and his supporters walk out, he will likely loose the presidency. The major irony is that such a result would give control of the party back to the current establishment.
Worse than the half breed? Worse than Carter? Even the most rabid Cruz supporters can’t possibly believe that. Can they?
And what will you say when your anger gets SWMNBN elected Presidentess?
Plan B has to be to destroy the RNC from the outside by making it irrelevant.
Limbaugh is trying to act like the two major political parties are no different than any other private club.
Well they’re not. America has a “Two Party System”. They have been granted a defacto monopoly over political power. That privilege isn’t to be found in the Constitution, but these two “private clubs” in Limbaugh’s ridiculous jargon have it anyway.
But that’s not enough for them. They are now seeking even more ways to reduce the ability of voters to decide who will lead this country by gaming the primary process.
This is the stuff of which revolutions are made. Right now that revolution is showing itself by voters pulling levers for insurgents. That makes the privileged elites unhappy. But if the crooks running the two parties manage to close that option off the pressure isn’t going to go away, it’s going to come out in another, much uglier, fashion.
I like it.
Thanks for you take on the subject. I find myself in the position of defending an individual who first, doesn’t need my defence and second, one who I don’t always agree with.
He was not defending the two party system or even the republican party. He was making the argument that all organization of any size are operated on a set of rules developed by the people running them, i.e. the establishment. Whatever the organization is, self perpetuation is achieved by use of the organizational rules. The only way to defeat a rule is with another rule and the only way to do that is to understand and work within the rules. In an open organization, such as a political party, you don’t have to be part of the establishment to make changes, you just have to know the rules and how to make them work for you and your goals.
I know it is infuriating to hear someone say “the rules are the rules”, or to be denied something you feel entitled to because of a rule, but that is a fact of life. I suppose you could have a rule to abolish all rules, but then someone would just create new rules. I understood Mr. Limbaugh to be pointing out the very practical fact that complaining, regardless of how justified you may be, does not change or abolish the rule you disagree with. The only way to change a rule is to understand the governing rules and use them to achieve your goals.
In this life about the only way I can think of to avoid rules is to die and even then there are rules to dispose of your body.
2016 Republican primary is Romney’s revenge for losing in 2012... I wonder how many Cruz supporters refused to vote for Romney and lying Ryan in 2012?
I read an interesting account by someone on Facebook (on Larry Lindsey’s account as a reply to him).
It outlined her first-time as a delegate. It is pretty long, but she had started going to the GOP monthly meetings and had been three times.
Excerpts:
“I took notes on each person that presented and learned a few things about the county during the meeting. After the meeting I was approached by Lora Thomas and was asked are you attending the caucus? I was like what caucus? Where? When? Both Lora and Tanne frivolous searched where I was to go on March 1st and my journey begun!
March 1st I attended the precinct caucus! There were only 13 of us that attended and no precinct committee members from the past at the meeting. Myself and David Rabb took the initiative to take over the meeting and begun the caucus by the book....
March 19th was the Douglas County Assembly in Highlands Ranch at Valor High! ... So at a moment in time the district members met up and voted for delegates and alternates. At one point I wasn’t sure about going to state but changed my mind when they needed six alternates and stated yep I’ll go!”...
April 2nd was CD6 assembly in Aurora! The amount was a $5 badge fee which I paid for! Not many delegates showed up so they upgraded all of the alternates that showed up! Therefore allowing the delegates the right to vote for the national delegates! We picked 6 people out of 48 people! 3 delegates and 3 alternates!...
... I sat in our assigned area and when Cruz came up to speak, those that were Trump Fans remained silent the whole time! When the speaker for Trump came up we did clap a few times but he could not give us an energized performance like Darryl Glenn did! He rocked the house!
If Trump was there it would have been a huge difference but alas he snob his nose at the convention, and didn’t change minds like Mr. Glenn did! Chances are if he brought an energized speech he might have changed minds!
Btw there are 7 alternates voted for Trump! As well 2 Alternates from CD4! For 9 alternates for Trump if the Delegates cannot attend National!”
Darryl Glenn is the U.S. Senate nominee who I understand so impressed everybody.
It is a total disgrace and a real disrespect for the voters.
I am done with the GOP.
Brilliant remark
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