Posted on 03/01/2016 4:02:14 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
Multiple FRiends are beginning to agree with Glenn Beck that the brownshirts are coming. First off they are essentially here already. One group is the New Black Panthers. But yes, there is a danger of anti-muslim brownshirts coming. Just not the way Glenn Beck thinks.
Part of the brownshirt psychology was a persecuted scapegoat -- the Jew. That's what made the nazis more vicious than the Italian facists.
This is how I perceive the early nazi movement:
Militaristic uniforms, marching in storm trooper squadrons, picking fights, inciting riots, and forcing people to say 'Heil Hitler!'
That was BEFORE Hitler came into power as I understand it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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The Real Brown Shirt Threat
Germany and Sweden are more likely to fall into dictatorships than we are. Note how the Oregon Militia was taken down so easily. People in the US are hopeful and refused to support them. But Germany, to me, is the trial canary, not so much because of post-Weimar history, but because of current violence.
Muslim Migrants ATTACK Refugee Centre Workers After Their Weekly Entitlement Payment is Delayed http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3402529/posts The payments were delayed because many of these migrants had violated house rules. One can only imagine ... Paying off the hordes with jizya payments is bad enough. But with multiple names, multiple papers, 'there are indications that some men were wrongly drawing several asylum benefits – payments.' [snip]
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More to the point, in Sweden 200 masked men swarmed over a muslim gang and beat them. That's actually healthy defiance IMHO. But if the Swedish backlash is led poorly, it could result in a facist dictatorship.
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Even more troubling ...
Mob cheers as fire engulfs refugee center in Germany http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3400033/posts
'... Police forces ordered three people to leave the scene for obstructing emergency services and detained two intoxicated 20-year-old localsÂfor ignoring the order.
Investigators believe the fire was caused by arson ...'
[snip]
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Yes, many posts on that thread were favorable of the German backlash, but does that spill over to similar action in the US?
I seriously doubt it. A facist scapegoater would be firing up bloodlust. Nazi propaganda was similar to KKK dehumanization tactics. Brownshirts would incite riots to descecrate mosques and mass beatings of muslims. They would peddle cartoon sheets to dehumanize muslims. It would not be isolated but almost regimented and routine. Trump supporters are nowhere close to the kind of agitprop that would result in a muslim holocaust.
We do suffer from occassional terror attacks, but we don't routinely suffer from the mass outrages that Germany does. Nor has the president scolded us into putting our females into burkas [essentially what Merkel is doing]. Our goal is to prevent such outrages. Prevention is far more humane than a ruthless backlash.
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Putin and Europe
You want to see a nation on the verge of racial facism? Germany all over again. But it also spills out to the entire EU. What makes this worse is that Putin eggs them on and offers financial assistance to any European leader who agrees with him. He could become Hitler on Steroids, this time persecuting not only muslims, but also homosexuals. The Ruling Class has pandered to them for so long that they are the ideal scapegoats.
Despite all of that there still might be hope for Germany. This is going to tick off some people, but the best way the US can help them is to elect President Donald Trump.
Even as a candidate, his call for a muslim ban got their attention. They will watch closely when he demonstrates a humane way to restore national sovereignty and common sense. His leadership would help inspire Europeans to kick out their current Ruling Class and replace them with anti-immigration leaders who would be united with Trump's vision. The bonds between the US and Europe could reach record levels.
It also goes deeper than that.
Even if Trump were the monster some people say he is, he does not want discord endangering the world economy. He will desire stability in Europe, which in turn benefits the US not only economically but also geopolitically. The more nations which remain free and non-shariah, the better off the US will be. Sure, he might not know what 'geopolitics' means yet, but soon he will. A quick study, he would soon become a master of the field.
A President Trump would encourage the leaders of Europe to secure their own borders as well and begin mass deportations. He's been openly concerned about Europe. And while he's been friendly with Putin, he will not want Russia forming a newer and larger 'Soviet Bloc' that would be united in its hatreds.
Putin and Trump would probably be similar in ways to Kruschev and Ike. I hope that with Trump it turns out better. Regardless, he will put America first.
According to Solomon, travel broadens the mind. When you step out and look at other nations, you get a fresh perspective. We are not as bad off as Germany at the moment. Nor are we as inhuman as they are becoming. Not yet.
Trump supporters are nowhere close to the kind of agitprop that would result in a muslim holocaust.
I don’t know about a Muslim holocaust, but they do a good job here in Free Republic. Hard to get your side of the story out without being called everything but a human being
A little in-depth about the Nazis ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=9089644261
Carolyn Birdsall
Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels affirmed this central tenet of the Nazis’ so-called ... conviction that ‘whoever conquers the streets, conquers the state’ ...
So, is Trump calling for conquest of the street? Are brownshirts marching around demanding people to submit?
Perhaps the best visual history is Hitler’s SS: Portrait in Evil. I’m no expert on the Nazis’ pre-power days, but best I can tell it’s quite accurate historically. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
And if it is an accurate portrayal, then Trump is about as ‘nazi’ as Truman was during WWII.
One point of reality to take note of is that the immigrants in the events you mention are not being scapegoated. They actually ARE causing problems and the people are just fighting back due to a backwards-thinking government that “solves” a problem by exacerbating it.
This is a far cry from jews in nazi germany who actually were scapegoated - they were blamed for things they were not doing. It was propaganda.
The people commanded to murder us in any way possible?
Feed em fish heads! They have standing declarations of WAR against mankind, and deserve to be treated accordingly!
Trump supporters like me recognize that Trump can break the uniparty system and allow us to avoid another civil war with bloodshed in the future.
I believe what you posted is essentially correct.
This is a real shame. Germany is a beautiful country. I have been there several times.
That works both ways. It is appalling how hateful some on both sides are to their fellow Americans.
That’s a good point. Perhaps half of the muslims in Germany are evil. And regardless, they don’t have the right to be in Germany.
Jews were also immigrants to Germany prior to World War Two, and the ugly thing was that the Kaisar himself set the tone for Jew-baiting. Jews from Poland, Russia, etc were half starved and desperate. They actually hoped to reach the US, but some assimilited in Germany by the time they got the cash.
But while hungry, perhaps a few Jews did scheme for money to feed their families? I would not blame them. But that was exagerated, and I suspect that could happen in Germany again with the muslims. Note — that refugee center probably had women, children elderly, etc. Not many, but some.
Germany will have a revolution to tackle this immigration crisis, but I am concerned how Putin might seek to alienate Germany from the free world and make them cleave to Mother Russia. How? Through self-alienating horrors that result in worldwide condemnation.
I don’t understand your post. Do you see it as troubling that the German citizens cheered when the invasion center burned down?
I see that as one of the few sparks of hope coming out of Germany these days.
What you say is almost correct ...
25% American Muslims Okay With Violence Against Infidels
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3339848/posts
[And 51% support Sharia Law in US.]
Even if that polling is ‘Wilder Affect’ tainted, there are some muslims who don’t deserve to burn to death. Then again, most of them probably escape the fires.
But for Germans to knowingly endanger women, children elderly and who knows? Maybe even a couple good young male muslims? That is balkanization. The start of ethnic cleansing.
If a leader in that group starts using Goebbels tactics to whip them up further, then Gemrany will ultimately be condemned by the free world and ally itself with Putin.
oops. Looks like you were just quoting the article. In which case I don’t understand the author’s point.
Thank you for cleaning up my links. FRegards ....
” It is appalling how hateful some on both sides are to their fellow Americans.”
That’s what fear will do to people. When it comes in, reason goes out. I’m concerned how many Trump supporters are acting on emotions, lapping up the bombastic rhetoric, and ignoring the contrary facts and warning signs. I do like the way he insults and shocks the PC crowd. But that doesn’t mean he won’t govern to the left consistent with the rest of his life. My concern is that once he’s POTUS and reverts to form, his supporters are really going to freak out.
‘Regardless of the amount of encouragement, it’s already too late for Europe.’
When people think it’s already too late, that’s usually when they prove to themselves it is not.
Calling Trump supporters ‘brownshirts’ also alienates them. If you want someone to be a lifelong supporter, make an unfair accusation. That’s the easiest way to do it.
” perhaps a few Jews did scheme “
I imagine some did so but no more than any other group.
Post WWI germany was under the heavy toll of the Versailles Treaty, which was more likely the “cause” of their economic woes of the day. They were to compensate other countries financially for the damages.
Nazis took advantage of the general despair and blamed jews for it.
Contrary to popular leftist belief, europeans are generally more racist than americans. They have a mentality of being “ruled” not “governed” thanks to prior monarchies, and the class-view of the world has never left them.
Scheming for cash does not include rape and robbery. If I saw family members being raped and robbed and also saw the gov not doing much about except telling me I’m racist AND then saw an immigrant center being built next door, I might just burn it down too.
If anyone wants a lighter look at this, here we go ...
Hillary, Beck, and the Pope Warned U About Trump [vanity]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3403254/posts
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