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Bernie actually thinks t6hat socialism and democracy are the same thing
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/30/politics/sanders-clinton-tone-iowa-2016/ ^

Posted on 01/31/2016 9:19:26 AM PST by Be Careful

Quote: "We will win the caucus on Monday night if there is a large voter turnout. We will lose if there is a low voter turnout," he reiterated all day Saturday. "In many way Iowa becomes a model for the rest of the country and the future of American democracy."

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To: Be Careful

There are a lot of people that think “free Trade” with a communist dictatorship demonstrates democracy at its best.


21 posted on 01/31/2016 10:01:32 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner."
Liberty is that sheep packing a rifle.
22 posted on 01/31/2016 10:02:10 AM PST by dainbramaged (Get out of my country now)
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To: Be Careful

Socialism and democracy cannot be compared because it would just be like comparing apples to oranges since socialism is an economic system while democracy is a political ideology.

Feel the Burn, Bern?


23 posted on 01/31/2016 10:14:12 AM PST by Vic S
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To: Be Careful

They are both forms of collectivism. Another one is communism.


24 posted on 01/31/2016 10:16:29 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: raybbr

There’s a reason why the Founding Fathers abhored democracy and every other form of collectivism and set up America to be a representative republic.

Democracy as defined by Ayn Rand.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/democracy.html
‘Democratic’ in its original meaning [refers to] unlimited majority rule . . . a social system in which one’s work, one’s property, one’s mind, and one’s life are at the mercy of any gang that may muster the vote of a majority at any moment for any purpose.

If we discard morality and substitute for it the Collectivist doctrine of unlimited majority rule, if we accept the idea that a majority may do anything it pleases, and that anything done by a majority is right because it’s done by a majority (this being the only standard of right and wrong) - how are men to apply this in practice to their actual lives? Who is the majority? In relation to each particular man, all other men are potential members of that majority which may destroy him at its pleasure at any moment. Then each man and all men become enemies; each has to fear and suspect all; each must try to rob and murder first, before he is robbed and murdered.

The American system is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. A democracy, if you attach meaning to terms, is a system of unlimited majority rule; the classic example is ancient Athens. And the symbol of it is the fate of Socrates, who was put to death legally, because the majority didn’t like what he was saying, although he had initiated no force and had violated no one’s rights.

Democracy, in short, is a form of collectivism, which denies individual rights: the majority can do whatever it wants with no restrictions. In principle, the democratic government is all-powerful. Democracy is a totalitarian manifestation; it is not a form of freedom . . . .

The American system is a constitutionally limited republic, restricted to the protection of individual rights. In such a system, majority rule is applicable only to lesser details, such as the selection of certain personnel. But the majority has no say over the basic principles governing the government. It has no power to ask for or gain the infringement of individual rights.


25 posted on 01/31/2016 10:21:08 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Democracy = Two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.


26 posted on 01/31/2016 10:21:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Be Careful
Bernie actually thinks that socialism and democracy are the same thing
He has a point; “democracy” is not the form of government we have.
A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. - Franklin
Rather, the Constitution guarantees to every state “ a Republican Form of Government.”
The issue socialism brings up is whether we believe that “the credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . . who does actually attempt to do the deeds,” or whether we believe - to the exact contrary - that “you didn’t build that.”

Being critics rather than doers themselves, journalists cast their lot firmly in the latter category. Along with all union leaders - and most teachers.


27 posted on 01/31/2016 10:25:12 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Be Careful

Bernie Sanders is correct about this.

CITIZENSHIP Democracy:

A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of “direct” expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic—negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy

Training Manual No. 2000-25 published 1928

Democracy is a very, VERY bad thing.


28 posted on 01/31/2016 10:47:48 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Don Corleone
<>We stili live in a REPUBLIC.<>

De jure republic, de facto tyranny.

29 posted on 01/31/2016 11:04:26 AM PST by Jacquerie (To shun Article V is to embrace tyranny.)
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To: Be Careful

Actually his view is not that far from true. Democracy qua democracy does not involve limited government only popular sovereignty, which is precisely why the American Founders were as suspicious of democracy as they were of aristocracy or monarchy and gave us a republican constitution with a mixture of all three in hope that none of the evils attendant to any one would be inflicted on them and their posterity.

In an unrestrained democracy a majority can always vote to deprive the losing faction of their property, so functionally property is held in common and there is socialism.


30 posted on 01/31/2016 11:58:42 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Be Careful
I'll believe Bernie and the rest of the globalist fascist clique believe in democracy when queers marrying one another, abortion, race based quotas, how the government schools are run, EPA regulations, BLM policy, national energy policy, and immigration policy, among other things, are all voted on rather than dictated by Federal fiat.

Until then, anything they say about democracy is just part of the illusion of inclusion that passes for "representative democracy" these days.

Some people may be so gullible and/or foolish they believe what such folks say, but not many and mostly those who are desperate due to having believed other illusions pushed by the same crowd in the past. Any country that runs for years without a budget enacted by the peoples representatives isn't governed by representative democracy or any other form of democracy, it's ruled by an elite nobility.

Most who go along with and spew the Bernie line are just working to get on the crony capitalist fascist bandwagon payroll one way or another.

JMHo

31 posted on 01/31/2016 12:01:13 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Be Careful

They are a out the same thing. Mob rules and someone else pays for it.


32 posted on 01/31/2016 2:35:10 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Be Careful

He’s a mental midget


33 posted on 01/31/2016 3:21:12 PM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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