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The above is linked to a pro Trump blog. I posted it to the Bloggers forum for that purpose. To eliminate the food fights that emanate here daily between Trump and Cruz partisans, the disclaimer upfront is that the excerpt is from a pro-Trump site. That said, it is a fairly good analysis of some of the twisting that Levin is doing in his defense of Cruz.
1 posted on 01/17/2016 5:18:24 PM PST by usafa92
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Levin is unhinged. He is not right in the head.


2 posted on 01/17/2016 5:19:24 PM PST by WENDLE (Trump is not bought . He is no puppet.)
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In his emails to the Guardian, Tribe discussed Cruz’s own approach to constitutional issues, noting that under “the kind of judge Cruz says he admires and would appoint to the supreme court - an ‘originalist’ who claims to be bound by the historical meaning of the constitution’s terms at the time of their adoption - Cruz wouldn’t be eligible because the legal principles that prevailed in the 1780s and 90s required that someone be born on US soil to be a “natural born citizen.”

“On the other hand, to the kind of judge that I admire and Cruz abhors - a ‘living constitutionalist’ who believes that the constitution’s meaning evolves with the needs of the time - Cruz would ironically be eligible because it no longer makes sense to be bound by so narrow and strict a definition.”

Tribe said: “There is no single, settled answer. And our supreme court has never addressed the issue.”


3 posted on 01/17/2016 5:22:09 PM PST by Helicondelta
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Trumpcampaignanalysis probably concluded Trump University wasn’t a scam, either.


4 posted on 01/17/2016 5:23:19 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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“Saaay, Mark...that’s a nice FCC license you have there...be a shame if something were to happen to it. A damn shame.”


7 posted on 01/17/2016 5:27:48 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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Levin is smarter than anyone on Fr.

Fr is being trolled to the max by anti conservatives.

Sad.


10 posted on 01/17/2016 5:29:21 PM PST by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: usafa92; holdonnow

I’ll say this to Levin, whom I respect very much.

Nothing you have said is enough to convince me that there is no possibility at all that he won’t be disqualified down the road.

I think Cruz is an NBC personally. But there will always be the chance that some judge and in some court will yank him at the worst possible time, and I ask myself is it worth risking my vote on when I can vote for someone who does not have this potential problem?

I don’t want to risk my vote. It’s important to me. The opinions of people who are not judges aren’t enough to convince me. This is a real problem, and I don’t care if you think that I’m kooky for being concerned about it.


11 posted on 01/17/2016 5:29:36 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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When it comes to legal matters, I guess we should trust the reality star who checked with his lawyers, he hires the best lawyers you know, and declared that everything was A OK with Cruz running, but then had a change of heart when Cruz became a threat to his campaign. I’ll trust Mark Levin and his law experience, Ted Cruz who won arguments in front of the Supreme Court and the other numerous legal scholars both left and right that have cleared him to run. If Donnie is so concerned about this, six months later because he’s just trying to help Cruz you know, he should sue and get this cleared up once and for all.


12 posted on 01/17/2016 5:30:14 PM PST by erod (Chicago Conservative | Cruz or Lose!)
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Trump is making himself look like a fool more and more each day. How much has he donated to far-left democrats? How many times has he switched parties? How many issues has he switched sides? When it donates like a lib, and talks like a lib, and attacks conservatives like a lib, there’s a good chance it’s a lib.


16 posted on 01/17/2016 5:31:33 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/688796558989471744

23 posted on 01/17/2016 5:39:35 PM PST by conservative98
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Not only pro-Trump, but from the campaign no less...

One should not insult a guy who transmits a zillion words to a bigger audience then one’s little blog does..


30 posted on 01/17/2016 5:42:58 PM PST by Cold Heat
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I love Levin. He is heavily emotionally invested in Cruz, but if Cruz loses, he will support Trump.


32 posted on 01/17/2016 5:43:30 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (I like Trump and Cruz. Leave me the heck alone.)
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I have been a long time listener of Mark Levin and there is something very odd about the way he has approached the eligibility issue from the outset with Obama and now Cruz. It is as if he doesn’t want to deal with it, which is uncharacteristic since the Constituion is his forte and he regularly expounds on all aspects of the Constitution. This is bizarre to say the least because I truly believe he is extremely knowledgeable on the Constitution. I, therefore, must conclude there exists some sort of hidden agenda. Perhaps, he, like the other conservative radio hosts, were threatened to steer clear of the issue with Obama and now they find themselves in a trick bag with Cruz. Whatever the reason Levin is not doing himself any favors with his outlandish, arrogant, disrespectful, over the top and defensive behavior. It is almost as if he is now trying to force a square peg into a round hole.


33 posted on 01/17/2016 5:43:50 PM PST by iontheball
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just opinion. Levin gave the Law


35 posted on 01/17/2016 5:43:53 PM PST by RginTN
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I think that until a case gets to scotus the issue will remain. unfortunately the progressives have so screwed up the judiciary that a Hillary or Bernie presidency will effectively eliminate the 2nd amendment and thus the constitution. Jeb\Rubio\cruse are better but still won’t get to original intent. Donald who the hell knows.

If you look at Europe and its citizenship laws you can see where we went off track. If you want to understand the origin of the issue see the “law of nations” I posted an extensive post here in 2007-9 on the understanding of the founders of what a natural born was and why they exempted themselves. In a nutshell it has to do with allegiance. The founders didn’t want a president that might have any allegiance to another state. Under the understanding of the time nationality flowed through the father. Thus if a French man had a child in china the kid was French(natural). If the same man pledged allegiance to Austria and had a child in china the child would be a non natural Austrian Citizen. How ever if the child was born in Austria he would be a natural born sovereign.


51 posted on 01/17/2016 5:49:32 PM PST by waynesa98
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and all persons born in those [Virgin] islands on or after February 25, 1927, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, are declared to be citizens of the United States at birth.

8 USC 1406

All persons born in the island of Guam on or after April 11, 1899 (whether before or after August 1, 1950) subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, are declared to be citizens of the United States

8 USC 1407

The careful reader will notice that these citizens at birth may have two alien parents.

They are citizens at birth, and using Levin-logic, they are NBC of the US.

If Levin studied this, he would know that "naturalized" is an act of Congress that confers citizenship, where citizenship would not otherwise exist. It can attach naturalized citizenship unconditionally and automatically (see Virgin Island, Guam, one citizen parent plus residence), or it can impose some sort of naturalization process.

Levin is a putz and a tool. His credibility is going to take a self-inflicted hit on this excursion of his.

Oh, see too Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971), the case that would not exist if Mr. Bellei was not naturalized.

56 posted on 01/17/2016 5:53:50 PM PST by Cboldt
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Somewhere, Chester A. Arthur is shedding a tear...


62 posted on 01/17/2016 5:55:33 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy (What good is a constitution if you don't have a country to go with it?)
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I’m a Cruz guy myself but either of them would be preferable to Sanders and that other lady who is running.


64 posted on 01/17/2016 5:55:55 PM PST by GSWarrior
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Natural Born Citizen = born on the soil to two citizen parents.

That is the purest grade of citizenship there is, and it’s what the Framers had in mind when they put that requirement for office of president into our Constitution.


65 posted on 01/17/2016 5:56:32 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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The blogger’s explanation of the three levels of citizenship is what I was taught in school as a child. When I had my first child outside the USA, I still believed that he was ineligible to become President. Since doing my research on Obama, and since knowing that anchor babies will be considered NBCs by this standard, I’ve come to think that maybe Levin’s response is correct. That someone like Ted Cruz, and my son, are NBC because they were born to American women outside the country and did not need to naturalize.

The truth is that we do not know precisely if ther are three stages of citizenship or two.

The truth is that we need a final, precise definition and it probably needs to be an amendment. I don’t care personally which way, at this point, we just need a precise definition. Don’t know what will become of Ted Cruz and his eligibility. He might not win the nom so it might not matter this time, but he could have been a greet veep candidate if this were decided already.


68 posted on 01/17/2016 5:57:49 PM PST by Yaelle
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Any person born outside of the US and later brought into the country has an immigration/citizenship file. At his own direction, Mr. Cruz's files are sealed.

I find that interesting. What (else) is Ted hiding?

74 posted on 01/17/2016 6:01:41 PM PST by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt, Last Man Standing.)
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