Posted on 01/17/2016 5:18:24 PM PST by usafa92
Mark Levin has spent years defending the Constitution, his radio show bumpers refer to him as "Mr. Constitution". In his view, the constitutional debates and the views of the founding fathers should determine its meaning.
Levin has abandoned this standard in his defense of Ted Cruz's eligibility to run for President. This is evident in at least two ways - ignoring the founders' intentions and arguments, and suggesting that there are only two types of citizenship: naturalized and natural born. Levin revisits this issue with exasperation every day, knocking Mr. Trump and others for discussing it. Last week he referred to the issue as a 'turd in the swimming pool'. Let's examine it.
Canada is a possession of the English Crown. The analog in the founders time was England itself. Levin is suggesting that a person born after the founding, in England, with English citizenship, to parents of mixed allegiance, would have passed the founders' scrutiny. That idea should seem absurd on its face.
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Thank God there is no political bias within Harvard. You got me. I’ll just ignore a couple decades of actual events and history and go with that. He’s from Harvard. He’s got to be right.
“That child would have been denied citizenship?”
No.
I am not going to discuss the contention that his mom was a Canadian citizen. You guys play there all you want. Leave me out. I am not going to explain.
He's a naturalized US citizen, and everybody who knows how to read the case law knows it. All of us know it. The only we don;t know is what SCOTUS would do, but it seems stupid to think they'd save Cruz's bacon, unless SCOTUS wants to amend the constitution to allow naturalized citizens to be President - a pile of dudu that I doubt they want to step in.
All you guys thinking smarter means being correct on a legal question just remember almost all SC justices are smart, but there is almost always disagreement between them on any case.
“It astounds me that the requirements for NBC have become muddied so badly, just since I was a kid.”
Or that a supposed Constitutional expert such as Mark Levin can become completely unhinged, spitting venom like a king cobra at its mere mention.
I think the CRBA is a double edge sword for Ted. If he has one, it obviously shows he is a citizen by regulations, not by birth. If he doesn’t have one, how the heck did he get into the US? How did he get a passport? I doubt his parents just waltzed across the border and took up residence in Texas.
At least 3 of Trump’s kids fall under category 3. Just thought the NBC kooks would appreciate a fully fleshed-out chart.
As he explained, he is not a constitutional originalist, but a Woodrow Wilson “living Constitution” believer. He correctly pointed out that Cruz is not taking an originalist stance on his eligibility to be President. However, he still has to cite authority. You are unable to cite any, I note. As I say, I found him to be susceptible to being influenced by prominent left wing politically powerful operatives, but that was only on his opinion stated to the press. With regard to actual briefing and, for that matter, teaching, he still has to point to authority. You are not able to do that, it appears, because there is not any to support your position that you are aware of or can find.
I don’t see it that way.
However, if you get a judge to agree with your assessment, then that would be a considerable problem, I expect.
This is why I would very much appreciate this matter being cleared up by an authority, and soon.
I can’t see any point in arguing our opinions, I see it the way I see it, and I know you see it the way you see it.
I don’t want my vote being invalided by a court at some inopportune time.
There are enough differing opinions here and potential serious consequences to have this matter settled.
I think it’s both stupid and reckless to leave it hanging out there.
This is the same genius who vetted Supreme Court Justice Kennedy who gave us the deciding vote for gay marriage. A fraud never listen to him anymore and he didn’t deny it just gave some lame excuse like any other RINO.
Ted Cruz was a US citizen at birth. No court in this land, no matter how “originalist” the judge is, will deny Cruz’s natural-born status. Bank on it, and then give it a rest...
Quite a statement.
Is it conceivable that the Supremes may in fact believe that “two citizen parents and born of the soil” is the definition of NBC? This issue is not “settled”.
Perhaps the SCOTUS believes that now is the time, Cruz is the case..
Let’s all let the same court that ruled that unborn children are not human beings make the determination as to whether any of these candidates are certified Natural born Citizens.
After all, the font of all knowledge and wisdom about the original intent of the founders and the meaning of all words is located at the corner of First Street and Maryland Avenue in NW, Washington, DC.
“Cruz has his records sealed”
You mean to tell me we have to go through that sealed records gambit AGAIN????
The GS loan was made on margin. It’s not dirty.
Risky, but not dirty.
The reason why is because they are subject to margin call if the equities borrowed against decrease in value.
If you look at equities the past few weeks, then you can see why borrowing on margin is a risky move.
All this means is Cruz couldn’t or wouldn’t get $1MM through fundraising.
Isn't that the same court that said that unborn children (even up to the moment of birth) are not human beings?
Isn't that the same court that just ruled that homosexual marriage is a fundamental Constitutional right?
You want those clowns to decide this issue?
Really?
Are you serious?
Tribe is being cute by half and his argument holds no water. He’s playing off a manufactured view of what an originalist would supposedly say, and there is no basis for that argument. Cruz was born an of an American citizen and was an American at birth. Unless someone produces some sort of naturalization documents from a later point, there is simply nothing here. It was never an issue, other than for weirdos. Trump had not issue with this, and now suddenly does. Not because the facts changed but because he has decided to take an unfortunate turn in his campaign.
Debating Tribe is not relevant. He’s a guy who’s an advocate for more gun control, more government and more Democrats and his purpose in speaking up is to derail a conservative. That’s all we need to know.
No, what you need is some authority of weight that Cruz meets the intent of the Framers in placing the words “natural born citizen” rather than “born citizen” or “citizen” in Article II of the Constitution. That you do not have as illustrated by refusing to cite any such authority.
| ...So for Cruz to establish his citizenship and to be living in the U.S. by law, he or his parents needed to apply for and have approved a CRBA and a U.S. passport. Sound like you're either a lawyer or an immigration official, usafa92. Regardless, what you've just explained is eye opening and very concerning. Who would have figured that something his parents forgot to do when he was 4 years old could open a Pandora's box? So as I read this, there are two outstanding questions now: (1) natural born qualification to be President, and (2) proper documentation to be a U.S. citizen. This issue is not going to die. FReepers have been squabbling about this for a couple weeks now with no consensus. IMHO, Cruz needs to put this issue to rest. He should get his paperwork together and hold a press conference. |
This 2013 article states that there is a CRBA.
While you can see it however you like, it is well established fact.
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