Ben Carson Proves He Is NOT A True Christian In One Statement…WOW!!!

Conservative Post H/T: Washington Post ^ | 12/4/2015

[trebb]

There's plenty of Christians (those who asked His forgiveness as their Lord and Savior and been saved) who are ignorant of much of the rest of the Bible and even who do evil deeds.

I think Carson has some serious defects but I won't call him "not Christian" as that is something nobody but he and Jesus know for sure.

[spacejunkie2001]

yes. and hell is permanently separated from God.

Repent and turn to him my friend :)

[spacejunkie2001]

Faith in Christ makes you obedient to Christ. We must be careful of the thought that ‘works’ are part of it. We cannot be obedient without Christ.

[FourtySeven]

This is nothing new. I don’t know why JPII’s thoughts on the matter were considered so “controversial” they aren’t (at least in Catholic teaching).

It doesn’t make Heaven or Hell any less real to say they aren’t places, rather states of being. They are both quite real, just not places one could go to if one had the right starship or something.

That’s all JPII (and the Catechism) were saying. That they (Heaven and Hell) aren’t physical locations, like Earth. That doesn’t make them any less real though.

[kygolfman]

First question from Wolf Blitzer at the next Republican debate....
With a show of hands, how many of you believe in “hell” and the “rapture”?

BTW—I’m not making a joke about anything from the Bible...just about the questions republicans get asked by the MSM

[Old Yeller]

The Republican candidate dismisses the Rapture, saying he doesn't see any evidence for it in the Bible. (See the words of Jesus in Matthew 24:30-31).

The Catholics on FR make the same claim.

[Old Yeller]

That is not accurate. The Catholic Church teaches there is a hell and many are going there. If there are Catholics that teach otherwise, they are heretics. If they believe otherwise, they are ignorant of the teachings of the Church.

But most can escape it by serving time in a mythical place called Purgatory.

[conservativejoy]

Mormons, SDA's and Jehovah's Witnesses. Along with Christian Science, those are the four major "Christian" cults in the world today.

Link to Evangelical Outreach

[spacejunkie2001]

there are many Jews that believe in Christ; Christ was a Jew. There are many muslims who became Christians. But, if anyone does not believe, they go to hell (separated permanently (forever) from God)

[spacejunkie2001]

Amen theo.

[af_vet_1981]

Iscool, where do you say heaven is, literally, right now ? There is plenty of information on this subject...I just picked a couple...

IV. "Who Art in Heaven"

2794 This biblical expression does not mean a place (“space"), but a way of being; it does not mean that God is distant, but majestic. Our Father is not "elsewhere": he transcends everything we can conceive of his holiness. It is precisely because he is thrice holy that he is so close to the humble and contrite heart.

"Our Father who art in heaven" is rightly understood to mean that God is in the hearts of the just, as in his holy temple. At the same time, it means that those who pray should desire the one they invoke to dwell in them.54 "Heaven" could also be those who bear the image of the heavenly world, and in whom God dwells and tarries.55

2795 The symbol of the heavens refers us back to the mystery of the covenant we are living when we pray to our Father. He is in heaven, his dwelling place; the Father's house is our homeland. Sin has exiled us from the land of the covenant,56 but conversion of heart enables us to return to the Father, to heaven.57 Jn Christ, then, heaven and earth are reconciled,58 for the Son alone "descended from heaven" and causes us to ascend there with him, by his Cross, Resurrection, and Ascension.59

2796 When the Church prays "our Father who art in heaven," she is professing that we are the People of God, already seated "with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" and "hidden with Christ in God;"60 yet at the same time, "here indeed we groan, and long to put on our heavenly dwelling."61

[Christians] are in the flesh, but do not live according to the flesh. They spend their lives on earth, but are citizens of heaven.62

IN BRIEF

2802 "Who art in heaven" does not refer to a place but to God's majesty and his presence in the hearts of the just. Heaven, the Father's house, is the true homeland toward which we are heading and to which, already, we belong.

IV. HELL



1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."

In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language.

[GreyFriar]

Yes, Jesus mentioned the Rapture. But I don’t get wrapped up in it like I see a lot of Christians doing. Where ‘when will rapture happen,’ how to prepare, etc and the entire “left behind” series of novels. to some that will probably not make me a true Christian either.

I leave it to Jesus to decide whether or not Ben Carson is a “true Christian.” And the last time I looked at the constitution there was NOT a religious test to be president.

[af_vet_1981]

I leave it to Jesus to decide whether or not Ben Carson is a “true Christian.” And the last time I looked at the constitution there was NOT a religious test to be president.

As if one could not leave it to the Messiah to separate the sheep from the goats ...

Since you are mixing politics and religion, so to speak, do you also leave it to Jesus as to whether Obama is a true Christian ?

[GreyFriar]

On the fate of bh0’s soul, I do leave that to Jesus. However, based upon bh0’s actions and words, he uses the Christian faith as a tool or cloak.

Ben Carson’s actual actions are inline with Christ’s teachings, thus I’m giving him the benefit of my doubt.

[af_vet_1981]

based upon bh0’s actions ...

Precisely; works, works, works ...

[GreyFriar]

Salvation is based upon faith. We demonstrate our faith to the world through our works.

[nonsporting]

Because he disagrees with Jesus and His Holy Word, this article is right, he is not a True Christian.

He is NOT a Christian. Period.

[af_vet_1981]

Salvation is based upon faith. We demonstrate our faith to the world.

How does one demonstrate one's faith to the Messiah ?

[af_vet_1981]

Salvation is based upon faith. We demonstrate our faith to the world through our works.

How does one demonstrate one's faith to the Messiah ?

[GBA]

I'm confused about the statement he made that proves he's not a "TRUE" Christian.

Is this it?

"I don't believe there is a physical place where people go and are tormented. No. I don't believe that,"

So...is he saying that he doesn't believe in the conceptual place or that he doesn't believe that such a place is in the "physical" world?

The first is wrong, as the Bible records. Such a "place" is called and referred to by several names and descriptions many times in Scripture.

However, if he is saying the second one, that it's not a physical place, then I think he's probably correct. You could say the same for Heaven not being a "physical" place, too, a physical location that we could somehow GPS and go visit.

Those are places "not of this world" and of a realm we will know after our body's death when our consciousness has been freed.

For my own conceptual understanding, I generally think of this experience we call reality as being not unlike The Matrix and God is the cosmic programmer.

In that conceptual view, Heaven and hell are places we can GPS and visit within and all the characters are real. Even more real than reality.