Posted on 11/25/2015 11:57:19 AM PST by IChing
In the latest high-profile racial railroading of a white policeman for obvious political reasons, it has taken authorities over a full year to decide to charge Chicago cop Jason Van Dyke in the fatal shooting of black 17-year-old Laquan McDonald.
The obviousness of the racial/political theater here is largely due to the fact that the timing of the ridiculous charge — first degree murder — being suddenly announced after all these months, so transparently coincides with the sudden FOIA public release of a police dashcam video of the shooting which, to the untrained eye, looks pretty bad.
The video in question has been in the possession of the authorites this entire time. If it was a bad shoot, especially if so bad as to amount to first degree murder, they should have charged him long ago, apart from the racially ginned-up public and media hysteria wrought by release of the video, no?
As for allegations about the incident itself, there are some gray areas, and some clear-cut lines.
Officers were attempting to apprehend McDonald, who was later determined to have had PCP in his system, after he had been rampaging around the area and using a knife to not only break into cars and other property, but also slashed the tire of a police car in an initial attempt to arrest him just moments before he encountered Van Dyke and other officers.
The video shows that McDonald was not “walking away from†the officers, as many are insisting; he was walking briskly abreast of them and turning toward them(4:45), his left hand inside his pocket and swinging the knife in his right hand.
Most police officers are trained on the “21-foot ruleâ€(also known as the Tueller Drill), the distance at which an officer’s “reactionary gap†(the time it takes the officer to recognize the threat, reach, draw, aim, and fire on the subject) puts his own life in jeopardy from a subject with an edged weapon.
Here’s a very good demonstration of the 21-foot rule:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KJ1R2PCMM
It has been proven over and over again (unfortunately not only in training drills but in many cases where officers have been murdered/gravely wounded) that an agile subject with an edged weapon can suddenly, as rapidly as 1.5 seconds, close a distance of up to 21 feet to fatally stab/slash a victim, even kill or seriously wound a trained police officer armed with a gun.
That’s LESS time than it takes an officer to recognize the threat, reach, draw, aim, and fire on the subject — the “reactionary gap.†1.23 seconds is the fastest closing time of the 21-foot distance measured.
I played the video over and over at various speeds, and the taser wires are visible well before McDonald shows any kind of reaction(indicating that the taser may not have functioned immediately or properly), and he actually turns toward the officers(4:45) as he walks briskly abreast of them with the wires attached, swinging the knife in one hand, with his other hand in his pocket.
Then, it looks like the gunfire is what brings him down, because you can see dust/debris kicked up as the rounds hit the concrete around/under McDonald’s body when he falls.
If Van Dyke believed the taser did not function, it can be argued that he legitimately perceived McDonald (who had just slashed a police car’s tire with the knife) to be an imminent deadly threat within the 21-foot reactionary gap.
That perception wouldn’t mean that he necessarily HAD to shoot McDonald, but it would definitely mean he’s not guilty of murder.
The 21-foot rule has come under scrutiny and criticism in recent years/months, and I predict it will (as “stand your ground,†as misapplied as it was, in the Zimmerman case) be the centerpiece of this case.
Not guilty.
Oh, and by the way, as for the number of shots fired, the official answer is that once deadly force is deemed justified, the number of shots is really moot — although we all know that the public, media, and jurors can imagine that there can be some kind of “excessive†force beyond deadly force.
Exactly right.
Hmmm, been trained on deadly force yourself, huh? So why didn’t you back up your claim with specifics, as I did?
Hmmm, been trained on deadly force yourself, huh? So why didn’t you back up your claim with specifics, as I did?
I don’t know how “trained” I am in deadly force. I have a carry and conceal. Even I know that I can’t shoot the guy in that circumstance. The guy was not endangering the cop. And if the cop argues that he thought he was in danger... gee... he should have gotten back in his car and cried like a little baby. Of found someone he could give a speeding ticket to.
Did you miss the part about the taser wires? You can see them in the video. McDonald trots along a few more steps, ynaffected, after the taser was deployed on him.
Well-said. One source said only 2 of the 16 rounds were fatal, the rest landed in outer extremities.
The "reasonable officer" standard of Graham v Conner is an objective standard, which means it won't rely entirely or even mostly on Van Dyke's personal opinion that he thought the victim was reaching for a gun. The standard is more like, "if any other reasonable officer would have done the same thing under the same circumstances," then he comes out OK. Based on the video, I don't see that working real well for the jury in this case.
Peace,
SR
As for training, maybe you should read the article (the author happens to have decades of it).
16 bullets is 15 too many just about any way you look at it.
“No one” ?
Cop deserves some punishment for literal overkill, but first-degree murder is ridiculous.
“First, he gets his love of riots and protests from his BLM shock troops.”
Except somebody’s apparently started to use them for target practice now. Could make it interesting.
The questioner acts as though there is a physical standard for police when in fact there isnt. This wasn’t a hard question to answer 50 years ago.
May I suggest you watch the video about the 21-foot rule, then tell me what you think?
Oh, and here’s a documentary on Surviving Edged Weapons:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCB5A88D25B0CF7E8
Not one that I’ve heard. Except his lawyer and the “blacks are always wrong” crowd here on FR.
Read the last paragraph of the article.
You are making a very broad and , I believe, unfounded assumption.
Glad someone bothered to read the article and comprehend it, and shows a thinking logical mind.
“How Should Police Stop A Knife-Swinging Laquan On PCP?”
I don’t know, maybe shoot him 16 times?
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