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Yesterday Trump called Politico dishonest. Today he is spreading their Ben Carson lie.
Red State ^ | October 6, 2015 | southernconstitutionalist

Posted on 11/06/2015 11:58:15 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

RedState's own Leon Wolf did a great job exposing the Politico story about Ben Carson and West Point as a lie. Washington Post reporter Dave Weigel is also churning out great information on Twitter regarding the story.

I want to focus on what Donald Trump is doing with the story, however.

Yesterday, November 5, Donald Trump had this to say about Politico:

Look, Politico is so dishonest in so many different things. This Politico website or whatever the hell they call it, I mean, they write about me. We don't deal with them anymore because the level of dishonesty is incredible.

Today, November 6, Donald Trump is spreading the false Politico story about Ben Carson. Below is one of the several Trump Tweets citing the Politico piece.

What an incredible turnaround. It appears Trump is willing to do whatever it takes to destroy Carson, who is poised to disrupt his position as GOP frontrunner.

Yesterday, Trump seized on the silly CNN investigation of Carson's childhood. According to Trump, Carson's childhood might be a "total fabrication.?

Ironically, much of Trump's support is due to the perception that he tells the truth and shuns the mainstream media. It is now clear that he will abandon that notion when it suits him politically.


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: carson; deadstate; demagogicparty; erickerickson; gopprimary; memebuilding; msm; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; pinkstate; redstain; redstate; rotc; trump
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; miss marmelstein
"Yes, indeed, he did say that yesterday."

I'd like to see a link.


Here it is. At minute 1:26.

261 posted on 11/07/2015 2:15:49 PM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: HarleyLady27

>> The reasons I was asking is the mandatory draft at that time, all men had to sign up, so Carson used the ROTC for this purpose <<

Two points:

1. Carson’s ROTC service was in high school. That was a totally different situation from Bill Clinton’s attempting to use ROTC membership at the University of Arkansas to get a draft deferment.

2. I don’t think Carson was an ROTC student during his university days. But it wouldn’t seem to matter for purposes of the current discussion, because after he got to Yale, I think Carson was eligible for a student deferment until such deferments ended in 1972. Alternatively, he may simply have lucked out with a good lottery number.

>> and then used that maybe to go into medical school with paid education? <<

The draft was replaced with the all-volunteer concept in 1973 — just about the time Carson was entering med school. So the chance of being drafted probably was not a factor in his choice of career path.


262 posted on 11/07/2015 2:33:44 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks, Albion. I don’t tend to make things up.


263 posted on 11/07/2015 2:36:11 PM PST by miss marmelstein (I support Trump but refuse to engage in the lynching of Ben Carson.)
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To: Albion Wilde

We’ve been here over and over again, Albion Wilde. And yet our fellow freepers never seem to learn that lesson, do they?

Thanks for your links, my FRiend.


264 posted on 11/07/2015 2:38:01 PM PST by miss marmelstein (I support Trump but refuse to engage in the lynching of Ben Carson.)
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To: Hawthorn

Ok well that clears up some stuff....thank you!


265 posted on 11/07/2015 2:38:24 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (I have such happy days, and hope you do too!!!)
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To: tennmountainman

>> I highly doubt Westmoreland had the power, or would even do an end run around admittance standards by “offering” a scholarship upfront <<

Gotta disagree. Let’s not be naive or innocent about the power of ANY four-star, much less the Chief of Staff.

I think General Westmoreland could have snapped his fingers at the nearest aide-de-camp and bingo! The ADC then phones the USMA’s Superintendent, and the deal would be settled post haste.


266 posted on 11/07/2015 2:48:44 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Cold Heat; Greetings_Puny_Humans
OK.....I am really getting tired of this....It’s not my writing, I am not a archeologist but I can tell you that there is a valid argument that the timeline for Egypt is in error and that if corrected it all makes sense.

I believe that to be true.

The grain thing has to do with a number of pyramids, at least one of which was later converted to a tomb, but the grain storage areas were still identifiable..

In this I believe you are in error (maybe the same with Carson) - I think you refer primarily to the grain pits found with the step pyramid of Djoser (third dynasty) at Saqqara. Those pits are located in the pyramid complex, but not in the pyramid itself.

If you rationally look at what a pyramid is, you will see that it is but a large building constructed in a style that evolved over a period of time but can be seen in many parts of the world. A big building is what you might use to store a large amount of grain. The theory is that they were developed for both purposes...and maybe others as in multipurpose building..

No, reason would not dictate a pyramid for grain storage - (primitive) pyramid construction requires an inordinate amount of stone in construction - very, very little of the pyramid structure can be open space, basically hallways and small vaulted rooms. The integrity of the structure cannot withstand enough interior space to justify it's use as a granary.

Grain was stored in pits, and later, in square, roofed stone buildings (over pits)... A large-volume pit is much easier to construct, and were indeed present at and after the construction of the pyramids (according to the timeline). It's use throughout and beyond the time in question would indicate that pyramids were for something else.

267 posted on 11/07/2015 2:54:35 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: tennmountainman

Yes, they do it every year.


268 posted on 11/07/2015 2:55:38 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Hawthorn

Since Westmoreland is dead, we only have Carson’s word don’t we?

I don’t even recall if Carson mentioned who “offered” him a scholarship.

Maybe Carson during the debate can fill in the gap of specifically
who offered him a scholarship to West Point.


269 posted on 11/07/2015 2:58:33 PM PST by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance.)
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To: lovesdogs
"Encouraged to apply" Perfect. Mr Carson's phrasing makes me think he had a spot at WP that was his to accept or decline. That was clearly not the case. If I had to wager a dollar one way or another, my bet would be that his intent was to mislead.

"Clearly not?" And you know this how?

"His intent was to mislead?" Absolutely not. His intent was to inspire struggling youth to overcome their disadvantaged backgrounds by studying and working hard so that opportunites would be opened to them. He wrote this 20 years ago in the context of starting his foundation that has provided scholarships to impoverished kids.

In context, he was the top ROTC cadet in his high school, and in case you haven't noticed, he was black -- still is, in fact. At the time, the late 60s - early 70s, there was greatly more racial discrimination than today, and it was the beginnings of a large push by most American universites/academies to locate and support promising minority candidates. It only stands to reason that he would have been checked out and solicited.

In case you are thinking, then, that he was an affirmative action doctor, consider that in his field, brain surgery, you simply can't fake it. You either have the skill to fix a child's brain or you don't; and the top hospital where he worked would not have permitted him to stay if he couldn't perform. In fact, Johns Hopkins made him the youngest head of Pediatric Neurosurgery in their history. He collaborated and teamed up with specialists from many other institutions and other countries, mostly white, but people of all colors. If his career had not been genuine, none of us would be talking about him today. And he and his wife then used much of their good fortune to try to help the underprivileged. But no good deed goes unpunished, it seems. People want to see him as someone who would intentionally mislead to make a few bucks in publishing. It's pathetic.

More than one close acquaintance of mine here in Maryland where Dr. Ben made his career in medicine know him and/or his family members. Due to my own research interests, I personally talked with him back in the 90s about the disastrous effects of illegitimacy and fatherlessness on minority youths, and he was immediately unequivocal that marriage is one of the pillars of a productive life, a point he had stressed in his autobiography from that era, Gifted Hands; or perhaps it was the second book, The Big Picture. Those books were written in no small part to influence troubled youths. He has been married for someting like 43 years to the same woman, who is a partner in their foundation work and a co-author or editor of some of his later books.

That said, he is not my top choice for president, nor my second choice. But I see no reason to trash him, when we need all the strong figures we can get on our side. No one is perfect.

FYI: Meet Candy Carson: The Anti-Michelle Obama

270 posted on 11/07/2015 3:00:17 PM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: tennmountainman
Maybe Carson during the debate can fill in the gap of specifically who offered him a scholarship to West Point.

During yesterdays interview he said he doesn't remember any others who were involved, except for Westmorland.

I think it's important to continue to pile on, I can't think of any reason we should not let our political enemies eliminate our candidate for us/

271 posted on 11/07/2015 3:06:11 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Ravenstar
No he is not an amnesty pimp. He is for a guest worker program that would put them in the migrant farm worker category but they get no benefits and THEY AREN’T CITIZENS!

1) Carson opposes the border all, which makes all his statements entirely useless on the topic. No border wall = continued illegal invasion.

2) Illegal aliens aren't supposed to get benefits right now anyway. They still do.

3) Carson keeps changing the scope of his amnesty, moving from "agriculture" amnesty, to large scale amnesty, and not ruling out citizenship*

* But not ruling out citizenship doesn't matter anyway, because when you have 40 million people and growing, and you've ruled out deportation, citizenship is inevitable. The Democrats will give it. The courts will give it. They will march in the streets for it, because no one will deport them.

272 posted on 11/07/2015 3:06:33 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: smoothsailing

Curious — what is the source of the “alien” letter from “Kyra Markham”? Is there a web site?


273 posted on 11/07/2015 3:09:01 PM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: Cold Heat
You are one who accused me of claiming there was something wrong in the Bible

No I didn't! You hallucinated.

I am not a Bible expert, as I explained, and I’m not a archeologist.

You don't need to be a Bible expert! You just have to read 2 verses in the entire Bible, and you know everything there is to know about Joseph and where he put the grain in Egypt.

I only mentioned it because you seem to think that Carson has a screw loose regarding the grain storage business and that is just not the case.

His screw is loose! He's lost some marbles! He's not playing with a whole deck!

274 posted on 11/07/2015 3:09:50 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
His screw is loose! He's lost some marbles! He's not playing with a whole deck!

The entire reason I responded to you.

We are in total disagreement.

275 posted on 11/07/2015 3:18:27 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: JustaCowgirl; Greetings_Puny_Humans
"Carson is saying he was never paid for a direct endorsement of Mannatech. Yet he's doing speeches for Mannatech... and Mannatech is paying money into Carson charities and also to him?"

Shades of the Clinton Foundation. Smaller scale, perhaps, but along the same lines.


I agree that this is the most troubling part of the accusations, and what might, if left unchecked, turn into a very bad, Clintonian habit if it got into the DC slushpit. Although it would take a near-Faustian fall from grace even to put a dent in what Hill'n'Bill have done.

276 posted on 11/07/2015 3:29:58 PM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: j.argese
There is no such thing as a “humble” neurosurgeon.

One of the most-likely-to-be-true statements on this thread!

277 posted on 11/07/2015 3:37:32 PM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: fatnotlazy
I don't know if any of the accusations against Dr. Carson are true or false, but I do think that they are designed to focus the Republican candidates on each other instead of the damage wrought by Obama and how to fix this mess. Getting the Republicans to turn on each other shifts the focus away from Hillary and Bernie.

The media doesn't have to instigate anything - Trump has based his entire campaign on an ability to badmouth and smear Republicans. It's all he has left.

So long as Trump supporters refuse to hold him to any basic standards, the bloodletting will continue.
278 posted on 11/07/2015 3:41:21 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: HarleyLady27
I don't know if Carson did or didn't do, that's not the point I'm making....but I will stand up for anyone, I don't care who they are, when this type of action is done to anyone....

I agree with you. This is the Palinization of another Republican. It's a dirty business by a disloyal press that is making it nearly impossible for a sane and moral person to run for public office, in the event they may ever have left a fart somewhere unaccounted for. Soon it will be a front-page scandal of epic proportions -- unless, of course, they are a Democrat, atheist, or homosexual. But I repeat myself.

279 posted on 11/07/2015 3:45:45 PM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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To: flaglady47
Carson is naive if he thought they wouldn’t get around to him one day, and that day has arrived. It appears that Carson has some truth problems, and someone has to find out what is true or false. This is the job of the press; they just don’t have to act like a pack of hyenas to accomplish this end.

Very well said.

280 posted on 11/07/2015 3:50:18 PM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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