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1 posted on 10/25/2015 3:53:05 PM PDT by grundle
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I wonder how the Core Crowd expects kids to answer the problem:

397.293 X 29.987 = ?

How long will it take to write down 29.987 397 times plus figuring out what is .293 of 29.987, then add them all together using Common Core addition?

Further, 5X3 is in the multiplication tables so the answer should be found immediately thru having memorized the tables, not addition.

Life is not series of simple multiplications, rather life is full of $1.99 & $29.95 transactions. Common Core is impractical in real word situations. One shouldn’t need paper/pencil to figure out how much money you need to buy 5 bags of ice @ $1.25 each.

Common Core math hits a dead end as soon as a simple decimal point is added or large numbers are involved.

The result will be kids, later adults, who can’t do the simplest of math problems. I suppose the aim is to make the people too stupid to know they are poor & oppressed.

Kinda reminds me of how the slave owners didn’t educate their slaves.


49 posted on 10/25/2015 4:50:02 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: grundle

Have you seen kids try to figure out the change you should get back? Forget multiplication, simple addition and subtraction is beyond their comprehension. But they can text a novel in 4.2 seconds.


51 posted on 10/25/2015 5:00:00 PM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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I am not sure what the point is of the common core nonsense. Maybe it is that they want to teach students to think of numbers in terms on their parts. That is not entirely a bad thing. But the approach does not really accomplish that. The value of teaching math to young students is that they have a strong ability to memorize and remember. The ability to dissect and understand comes later. So all they are doing is confusing kids and wasting the key advantage of learning these things at their age.

I am not saying they cannot dissect and understand math. But it will come in big concepts and usually not be an ability of all. For the masses, memorization and routine is the road to success. Some talented kids might on their own think math in terms of its dissected parts. It is a stupid place to start with ALL young kids. Even if you start there, you should never start there in the common core idiotic way. There are much more logical ways to approach it.


52 posted on 10/25/2015 5:00:01 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: grundle
According to Common Core defenders, this method will be useful when students do more advanced math. This way of reading things, for instance, can be used when students learn matrices in multivariable calculus in high school.

But that scenario has a hole in it. If the goal of Common Whore is to produce more Democrats, and if it works, they won't be TAKING multivariable or any other kind of Calcoolus.

They'll either be on the "Math: Learn to make change, English: Recite 'would you like fries with that?'" track, or the "Math be invented by waycisss dead white opressors to keep da man down!" track.

53 posted on 10/25/2015 5:03:56 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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That’s what I liked about math and why I took so much of it. It’s non-political, unlike soft stuff. It doesn’t matter if you don’t suck up to the teacher. Your answer is either objectively right or it’s objectively wrong. No politics and no brown-nosing involved.


54 posted on 10/25/2015 5:05:47 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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My favorite:

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57 posted on 10/25/2015 5:08:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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“This way of reading things, for instance, can be used when students learn matrices in multivariable calculus in high school.”

Excellent. And the 90% of students that will never need to use multivariable calculus in their lives will be completely screwed. They’re morons to even think this kind of thinking in 3rd grade would even help later in life. By the time your mind is capable of understanding calculus, you’ll simply have deduced all of this common core nonsense yourself.

Education in this country needs a revolutionary overhaul. They need to ditch this entire ridiculous system where kids jump from grade to grade working towards release from the institution at age 18 using Federal guidelines.

They’ve got to quit pushing this mantra where people need to go to college unless they want to live a life as a loser. I did the BS and MSEE thing myself ... I liked some of it, hated most of it. I would have preferred to simply start working in my field right after high school and probably could have done so had I had the proper training as a kid.

They need to come to grips with the fact that some kids learn things by reading books ... others learn only when they do the things they read about. Some can learn by doing both. There is no such things as a “one size fits all” approach to education after age 12.

They need to insure that all kids are competent in reading, writing, and arithmetic by age 12 ... right around the time hormones start to kick and puberty makes them all mental cases. From there, you need to determine what interests these kids and build a curriculum around these interests. School choice would be a blessing in this regard as a single public entity couldn’t handle all of these varying options.

The need to teach literature only to kids that have an interest in it. In the past reading and writing skills were cultivated by examining topics in science, history, geography, etc.

These days, some mediocre book with a political agenda is taught as a “masterpiece”. Many kids fall asleep reading such garbage and couldn’t write a paper about said trash if their lives depended on it. Who in the hell really cares how many “works of art” kids have read prior to graduation if they are forced to think a certain way about it.

I was thrown out of English class calling John Steinbeck’s “The Grapes of Wrath” “Welfare Wagons West!” back in the early 1990s. I found the book to be a horrible bore. It’s not that I didn’t care about people suffering during the dust bowl and Great Depression ... I just couldn’t stand the story. I would have been better served reading more about science and technology and having my writing / comprehension skills evaluated based on my ramblings about those topics.

I could go on and on about this for hours, but I know damn well why the Federales and dim-wit liberals want to force this garbage down our kid’s throats. The sickening twits won’t even confess that most private schools thier precious children attend won’t touch this trash with a 10 foot pole.


60 posted on 10/25/2015 5:21:38 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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RE: “it’s the wrong answer”.

Big Brother: “Winston Smith, tell me how many fingers I’m showing now!”

Winston Smith: “three, four, or two, it’s anything you say they are - anything. Please, I beg you, stop torturing me!”

George Orwell’s 1984 (a socialist’s guide for governing)


65 posted on 10/25/2015 5:34:36 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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The nuns taught us our multiplication tables in first grade and how to add, subtract, multiply, divide and take square roots by third grade.

Everything the feral government touches it destroys.


66 posted on 10/25/2015 5:35:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Is the pope Catholic?)
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Wreck the system.

Say 5+5+5.

Never give up.

If the common core edu-robots fail everyone based on common cores warped ideas , then common core will collapse.

Wreck the system.


69 posted on 10/25/2015 5:42:18 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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This is dumb. For one who counts out 5 x 3 quickly on their fingers ("skip counting"), they'll use 5, the first number, and count on three fingers 5,10,15. If they switch it. they're more likely to make a mistake.

For students who are average or struggle a bit with math, quickly counting out the numbers, using the sense of touch, helps them learn their times tables faster.

Common Core is insane.

74 posted on 10/25/2015 5:50:15 PM PDT by grania
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Zero is my hero.


79 posted on 10/25/2015 6:05:06 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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I know for a fact several Elementary school teachers tell their students up from that their parents will be shocked at what is being taught and just won’t understand it. They do things the ‘old way’, but *we* do math the new and improved way.

Message being your parents are old school; old fogies who just aren’t ‘with it. Disregard your parents’ ignorance and learn it our way.

Enough of them do it where it’s got to come from a central source. Whether it’s the official CC line, I don’t know.


80 posted on 10/25/2015 6:05:20 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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I teach high school science. A group of my sophomores struggled with a calculation in their lab exercise last week. They couldn’t decipher a simple word problem dealing with the field of view on a microscope. I explained to them that it was 4 divided by 10. A lab team of four students still didn’t know what to do. They debated amongst themselves whether the 4 was ‘in the house’ or whether the 10 was ‘in the house’. I assume that’s some kind of gimmick they learned in math class. Unfortunately they learned the gimmick without having a clue about division. They couldn’t even help themselves with a calculator. When they turned in the group lab report 2 days later, they left out the calculation. It appears that in the space of 2 days none of them could figure out how to divide 4 by 10. Very disturbing.


92 posted on 10/25/2015 6:27:15 PM PDT by Think free or die
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This is completely stupid.


93 posted on 10/25/2015 6:27:55 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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I’m pretty sure that Sergeant Donny Donowitz could explain to the Common Core people EXACTLY why they’re wrong...


103 posted on 10/25/2015 6:54:29 PM PDT by kiryandil (Maya: "Liberalism Is What Smart Looks Like to Stupid People")
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Mathematically, both are correct. But under Common Core, you're supposed to read "5x3" as "five groups of three." So "three groups of five" is wrong.

What's the purpose of the problem? If it's to teach what that × symbol means, then strictly speaking this is correct: 5×3 ("5 times 3") means "3, 5 times," or 3+3+3+3+3. I think it's pedantic, but not necessarily foolish or wrong. Five groups of three is not the same thing as three groups of five, even if both do happen to comprise the same number of units.

I memorized my times tables in third grade. They certainly didn't trust us with big words like "commutative property" until years later.

105 posted on 10/25/2015 7:19:21 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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Later.....


108 posted on 10/25/2015 8:57:09 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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1) "According to Common Core defenders, this method will be useful when students do more advanced math. " Really? I say their excuse is bullS#!+.

2) Commutative Property of Multiplication.

3) Do these people know the difference between arithmetic and mathematics?

112 posted on 10/26/2015 6:22:20 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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124 posted on 10/26/2015 4:32:17 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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