Did they get that info from these two?
http://www.vanityfair.com/unchanged/2013/05/americans-alien-abduction-science
Posted on 08/19/2015 6:02:18 AM PDT by don-o
Yesterday in Waco, a judge named James Morgan, ruled that there was probable cause to arrest William and Morgan English, a nice, young couple from Brenham, Texas, for engaging in organized criminal activity. The charge carries a penalty of five to 99 years in prison.
The Englishes had attended a brunch sponsored by the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents on May 17 at the Twin Peaks restaurant. Multiple, informed sources said Judge Morgan did not appear to be drunk.
Morgan based his ruling on the testimony of a Texas Department of Public Safety Lieutenant named Steven Schwartz who indentified a riding group called “Distorted” as a “support club” for the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. Schwartz called the Bandidos a “criminal street gang.” William “Piddle” English belongs to Distorted which has five other members. Morgan English was wearing a vest that described her as a Distorted Old Lady who was “Property of Piddle.”
Forbidden Flair
As is the custom in much of Texas among motorcycle riders, members of Distorted and women associated with members wear a small tab on the front of their club vests that reads, “I Support The Fat Mexican.” The felonious phrase is a reference to the Bandidos logo: A cartoon of a man with a big belly who is wearing a serape and a very heroic sombrero with a revolver in his right hand and a machete in his left.
Shwartz testified both that he had never heard of the Distorted before that day and that he knew that the Distorted was there that day in a “show of support” for the Bandidos. He also testified that of the seven members of the Distorted only William English, who was convicted of driving while intoxicated, has a criminal past. He also testified that the support tab the club members wear proves the Distorted is “somewhat involved in criminal activity.”
Shwartz also testified that the Confederation of Clubs and Independents is front for the Bandidos and that the Bandidos is a “security threat group.”
“Bandidos historically use support groups to do their dirty work so that the Bandidos don’t look bad,” Schwartz testified under oath.
Back In June
Morgan English testified that she drove a car to the restaurant that day, that there was a gun in the car and that she did, in fact, support the Bandidos. She said she left the gun locked in the car after she parked. Under Texas law, it is legal to have a gun in your car when travelling. Her husband testified that he knew there were “some issues” between the Bandidos and members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club.
William and Morgan English were briefly famous at the beginning of June after their attorney, Paul Looney, negotiated a bond reduction and the couple was released.
They made us all feel like animals, like they herded us,” Morgan English complained at the time.
Her husband said “This whole thing is a sham. I’m kind of upset that we had to pay to get out of jail when we did nothing wrong.”
What exactly is your point? Do you think the murders didn’t happen? Do you think nobody will be charged for them?
“How much different is that, than the cultures which degrade women such as requiring them to wear black clothing, or allowing them to be raped, etc.?”
In some of these clubs, it actually gets pretty close to that. Some women are “pass arounds”, they only get to hang around the gang (and get drugs, etc) if they sleep with whatever member wants them at the moment. “Old ladies” generally don’t suffer that, but that isn’t guaranteed in every club either.
That’s just talking about how they treat women who are “friends of the club”, hanging out with them voluntarily. We’re not even talking about the ones involved in human trafficking, prostitution, etc.
Boogieman: “I must believe a murder didn’t happen?”
Well, there are 9 dead bikers. Someone or group of people shot them. And there were 18 other gunshot injuries. Pretty sure there was more than 1 shooter.
Early reports from police indicated at least 4 of the 9 were killed by police fire.
It may turn out that 1 of the 5 undercover agents at Twin Peaks was exposed and threatened. Enough for police to fire?
There were no policemen injured. There were no non-bikers injured.
So who killed the other 5. Some suspect all were killed by police fire. Yes, I know some of the bikers said otherwise.
Guess the courts will eventually attempt to sort all of that out, when they get past the grand agenda.
You tell me.
“It may turn out that 1 of the 5 undercover agents at Twin Peaks was exposed and threatened. “
It may turn out that this was a biker gang war!
Did they get that info from these two?
http://www.vanityfair.com/unchanged/2013/05/americans-alien-abduction-science
I can’t tell you what your point is, I’m trying to figure that one out myself...
I could put into quotes all of what you said and agree. So just BUMP.
I do not understand how such a sub-culture gets any respect on these threads.
It is very, very sad. It tears at my heart.
As for this case at hand, again, my sympathies go mostly for Justice for the dead and wounded.
Those arrested, some more than others, garner empathy. But all of them were subject to the “rules of [i.e. AGAINST] free association” of the criminal gangs; or like members of a few other clubs who did not “patch” themselves to criminal gangs, they would not have been arrested to begin with.
Just let’s first get Justice for the murdered and wounded. Those arrested despite the indeed disruptions to their lives, are lucky they didn’t suffer that fate.
This was far worse than the shoot-out at the OK corral. I haven’t seen a comparable scenario, and the GANGS are the ones who brought it on.
The GANGS are the ones who did not allow free association of bikers but demanded patching to them. The cops, in arresting, only followed the patching guidelines of the Bandidos and Cossacks. It is the GANGS who denied free association.
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“Well, there are 9 dead bikers. Someone or group of people shot them. And there were 18 other gunshot injuries.”
Actually the 18 injured includes both gunshots and stabbings, some of them suffered both. I don’t think anyone has reported the police were stabbing people, by the way.
“So who killed the other 5. Some suspect all were killed by police fire. Yes, I know some of the bikers said otherwise.”
Even if those suspicions are correct, what of it? If criminals open fire on each other in a mall parking lot, with innocent bystanders around, do you not want the police to stop them, with lethal force if necessary?
Waiting for the videos. That and the ballistics report.
Nobody seems to interested in moving on those right now. Running the clock out.
What are you going to say at the first “no bill” by the grand jury? Will that kill the group “conspiracy to murder” angle?
There will be “no bills” in spite of the Police investigator as the jury foreman.
Headshake.
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By the way, what was your position on the branch Dividian assault? And the DOJ lies about that?
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Texas law enforcement and courts appear to be less honorable than small town Mexican counterparts are.
I pity anyone that lives in Texas.
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Boogieman, if you hadn’t noticed yet, is a tyranny troll on most threads.
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I’ve known lots of bikers that were upper tier corporate executives. (in the ‘60s, Bay Area)
Maybe Texas is different.
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Sounds like Eschoir might be back!
I noticed. When I see behavior like that I suspect there are personal motives involved such as being a family member of someone who might go to jail, or someone who has committed a similar offense trying to defend their behavior.
If you equate arresting criminals that start shootouts in public with tyranny, you’re an idiot.
“Running the clock out.”
On what? They have to turn them over to the defense before the trial, just like every other criminal case. I’m not seeing the big issue here.
“What are you going to say at the first “no bill” by the grand jury? Will that kill the group “conspiracy to murder” angle?”
No, it’s perfectly possible that the police arrested some people they won’t be able to make a case against. I’d actually be surprised if some of them didn’t manage to get off. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t a conspiracy, or that the state won’t be able to prove conspiracy charges against most of the defendants.
“By the way, what was your position on the branch Dividian assault? And the DOJ lies about that?”
I know you guys love to tie these two together because they both happened in the same town, but I don’t see any connection really. I don’t see what Janet Reno and her stooges did as being in any way relevant here, so what’s the point of dragging that in to the discussion?
Yeah, I’m not sure what generates all the sympathy, except that some people seem to love conflating any criticism of biker gangs with criticism of every biker. Of course I can understand why the gangs would want that, just like the mafia used to like to pretend that they didn’t exist, and the government was just persecuting “legitimate Italian businessmen”.
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