“How much different is that, than the cultures which degrade women such as requiring them to wear black clothing, or allowing them to be raped, etc.?”
In some of these clubs, it actually gets pretty close to that. Some women are “pass arounds”, they only get to hang around the gang (and get drugs, etc) if they sleep with whatever member wants them at the moment. “Old ladies” generally don’t suffer that, but that isn’t guaranteed in every club either.
That’s just talking about how they treat women who are “friends of the club”, hanging out with them voluntarily. We’re not even talking about the ones involved in human trafficking, prostitution, etc.
I could put into quotes all of what you said and agree. So just BUMP.
I do not understand how such a sub-culture gets any respect on these threads.
It is very, very sad. It tears at my heart.
As for this case at hand, again, my sympathies go mostly for Justice for the dead and wounded.
Those arrested, some more than others, garner empathy. But all of them were subject to the “rules of [i.e. AGAINST] free association” of the criminal gangs; or like members of a few other clubs who did not “patch” themselves to criminal gangs, they would not have been arrested to begin with.
Just let’s first get Justice for the murdered and wounded. Those arrested despite the indeed disruptions to their lives, are lucky they didn’t suffer that fate.
This was far worse than the shoot-out at the OK corral. I haven’t seen a comparable scenario, and the GANGS are the ones who brought it on.
The GANGS are the ones who did not allow free association of bikers but demanded patching to them. The cops, in arresting, only followed the patching guidelines of the Bandidos and Cossacks. It is the GANGS who denied free association.