“denied access to council for almost a month”
You can not actually believe this! That is precisely why I fight against this misinformation campaign, Freepers such as your self, seem to have become caught up in and which hurts FR.
Of course there are many more motorcycle riders who are good law abiding citizens. I rode for years, but never as part of any ‘club’ (gang). There are also a number of serious criminal trouble-maker riders, some of whom were prevalent at Twin Peaks.
As to the Million Bike DC thing, that was not Bandidos or Cossacks, support gangs and wannabes, etc. BUT, I also take issue with anyone who rides dressed up to look like Hell’s Angels, with the obvious purpose to intimidate non-clubbers and law abiding citizens, by inference.
It is ridicules and subversive to try to excuse the participants at Twin Peaks by comparing them and their actions to Tea Party or Conservatives. The bike gangs were under surveillance for good reason. Yeah, the liberals look at us as their enemy, but they will not be in power much longer and the liberals are not even now powerful enough to cause the LEO or military to attack us.
The WPD was prepared for any eventuality with these bike gangs for good reason (which you and your excusers conveniently fail to remember).
No one is trying to make you quit posting. My intent is to correct mis-information that appears to be intentional. On that hand, if you are posting mis-information with the intent to excuse the actions of criminal bike gangs, then yes I will counter your ever post. If my “insisting on the truth” causes you embarrassment for your asinine posts, that is your own fault.
I suggest you and others here do a better job of researching rather than relying on clearly biased sources.
Spurt X says: I also take issue with anyone who rides dressed up to look like Hell’s Angels, with the obvious purpose to intimidate non-clubbers and law abiding citizens, by inference.
In other words, X-spurt doesn't think Americans have the right of free association with people he disapproves of, or the right to ride motorcycles where they please wearing what they please (short of impersonating a police officer), while otherwise engaging in perfectly lawful, peaceful activities, such as attending a pre-scheduled, pre-announced, established COCI meeting in a public restaurant.
It is ridicules [sic] and subversive to try to excuse the participants at Twin Peaks ...
WRONG. It is subversive and anti-American to try to excuse "law enforcement" destruction of the lives of probably 150 totally innocent Americans -- TWO THIRDS of those arrested and incarcerated for at least two weeks and originally held on million dollar bail, had ZERO prior records of criminality or even arrests. ZIP.
But they ALL have records now, with very serious charges, they ALL have had to pay many thousands of dollars if not more to reclaim their normal lives -- in short, they ALL were harshly and severely punished without due process. And TWO THIRDS OF THEM had never even been arrested before.
X-spurt and other trolls here DEFEND that betrayal of our Founding Fathers. They DEFEND that Civil Servants enjoy very different rights than the citizens/civilians they ostensibly serve. X-spurt and trolls think that civil servants deserve the right to punish first and if they were breaking the law, only be held accountable years later; would that we civilians and citizens could punish abusive Civil Servants first and only be held to account years later!
But be assured -- that is EXACTLY ESSIENTALLY what X-spurt and other trolls here are advocating -- a situation where the courts can no longer protect citizens/civilians from the abuse of Civil Servants.
Thankfully, such trolls are less than ONE THIRD on these threads, though their volume of posts falsely inflates their representation, like a puff adder snake puffing up to look not so small to threats). In real numbers, smarter/more honest MORE THAN DOUBLE the numbers of the trolls among FReepers who have expressed an opinion on Waco one way or the other. TWO THIRDS of us think the cops' narrative stinks of cover-up and bad intent.
X-Spurt lies when he claims to be "correcting misinformation." He is defending government tyranny. IF those Waco cops were so well informed and so "prepared for any eventuality," then why in hell didn't they arrest the small handful of actual troublemakers and PERCEIVE THE OBVIOUS REALITY that most of the people they mistook for "thugs" were were average peaceful legal bikers?
The cops were either the stupidest, most obtuse pinhead heavily-armed freaks on the planet -- or they were the most mal-intentioned with regard to the American Constitution.
By definition, X-Spurt clearly thinks they were the first, although he won't acknowledge it.
Prepared? What strange definition do you have for that word?
According to Chief of Police Brent Stroman, his men were SITTING IN THEIR VEHICLES when the altercation broke out.
Testimony has been offered (in bond reduction and property seizure hearings) of Cossacks taking up "sentry positions" and "checking their weapons" while the Waco PD was SITTING IN THEIR VEHICLES. Seems that none of that (if they were even aware of it,) motivated Stroman's men to GET OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES and make a move to react before bullets started flying.
Nope. When they got out of their vehicles, after the first shots were fired, we do know what three out of the sixteen of them did, per Stroman - they fired their weapons into the altercation.
Makes one wonder about the other thirteen. Makes one wonder what the preparation was. Makes one wonder if SITTING IN A VEHICLE is best preparation.
***If you respond to me with your customary personal attack, you go back on the "ridicule only" list. Your choice.***
“I suggest you and others here do a better job of researching rather than relying on clearly biased sources.”
Right, and the cops and the media are completely reliable sources.
Criminals make up 1% of all motorcycle riders.
It just seems you and others have a problem with anyone in a motorcycle club. Plenty wear colors without being criminals.
There are trouble makers in any group of people.
Also compared to other “gangs” in this country, bikers are a miniscule percentage compared to other more PC groups.
Wonder why cops aren’t running around the clock surveillance on the Bloods, Crips, and MS-13?
Also as a percentage, money spent on investigation, and arrest numbers result in less convictions in “Biker Gang” cases than with any other form of “Organized Crime”.
There are some that deal, there are some that commit other crimes, but if you notice the media report most arrests are for “Weapons Charges”. When they get to court it turns out to be completely legal private sales.
As I told another poster, I grew up behind a guy who would become the East Coast Chapters President of what you would I’m sure consider the worst of the groups, Hell’s Angels. (Although, as far as crime, and being a$$holes they don’t come close to the Outlaws) Not once, never did I or my family ever have a seconds problem form him, or any of his friends. As a matter of fact they kind of pseudo adopted me (I was a fat kid) they toughened me up and taught me how to stand up for myself. Sorry if I don’t paint all club members with the same broad brush.
Out of a million bikers that went to DC you don’t think any club members were there? No one wore colors that day. There were no beefs, or turfs that day. They were there because Veterans founded most of the older clubs.
We aren’t bad for FR. If we are I expect JimRob, or the admins would let us know, and trust me I’ve had arguments with posters on this forum about many issues. Everything from getting jumped on because I celebrate St Patricks Day, to the candidates I support. Since I don’t give up on an argument in which I believe, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.