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Chrysler just beat Ford in dealership sales for the first time ever
Fortune ^ | July 1, 2015 | Ben Geier

Posted on 07/01/2015 10:50:56 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

It was a milestone month for FCA.

For the first time ever, Chrysler has outsold Ford in US retail sales, reports Reuters.

Retail sales refers to only cars sold directly to consumers, not counting sales of fleet vehicles to corporate customers. Including fleet sales, Ford moved 223,666 cars and Fiat Chrysler group sold 186,864. General Motors, meanwhile, saw sales slip slightly year over year and sold 265,825 cars.

For the industry as a whole, it was another good month as car sales continue to go up. 2015 is expected to see even more growth in car sales, as the market continues its recovery from the historic low it saw in the aftermath of the credit crisis.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: alfaromeo; automobiles; automotive; chrysler; detroit; dodge; economy; fiat; ford; generalmotors; italy; jeep; manufacturing; michigan
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To: Vaquero

At least you don’t have a LADA Riva. ;-)


81 posted on 07/01/2015 1:36:18 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ExCTCitizen

My 1986 Mustang GT V-8 only had 200HP and ran like a scalded dog. The “base” Mustang these days at around $24,000 has a V-6 with 300HP. If the weight isn’t too different, that thing must fly. So how fast is the V-8 GT these days? And when was there a V-10 Mustang. How did I miss that?


82 posted on 07/01/2015 1:46:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: ealgeone

I actually looked at the Renault Fuego. Remember that chunk of $#*+?


83 posted on 07/01/2015 1:49:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: Army Air Corps

Had to look up lada riva. Funny looking buggers.

And I don’t own a schmat car nor do I own a Pius. Never will.

If I had to travel to work again (retired) I would seriously consider getting a Tesla.....so I could ‘FLY’ to work in the HOV lane. It would have nothing to do with fuel economy.


84 posted on 07/01/2015 1:50:18 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never. There was a concept car they shoved a V10 Triton or a Jag/Aston whatever it was they owned at one point into but thats as far as it went. And I can’t tell you if it was real or a good photoshop. But it was from ford so...?


85 posted on 07/01/2015 1:58:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

They can get so much power out of even 4’s and 6’s now that there really is no need. Hell, that futuristic BMW i8 sports car only has a normally aspirated 3 cylinder mated-up with electric motors and is very quick. Of course it’s mostly carbon fiber.


86 posted on 07/01/2015 2:02:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just as a side note, Back in my Off-Road.com years, The remnants of the Ford “Rough Rider” off road race team with Dan Smith and Dave Ashley has a Trophy Truck with a DOHC 5.4L that ford was using for R&D that was well over 650 HP (they refused to really say) naturally aspirated and would rev well into the 8000 range with zero effort. And stay there. 8 into 1 exhaust. Sounded like an F1 car.

140+ on dirt. Man what a truck

http://www.off-road.com/aimages/articlestandard/race/492005/249199/dura2.jpg


87 posted on 07/01/2015 2:04:35 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Army Air Corps; Norm Lenhart
I would gladly trade

For one of these (in the same condition as the cutlass)


88 posted on 07/01/2015 2:07:16 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

I’d not kick either out of the garage.


89 posted on 07/01/2015 2:09:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Time will tell as this is just an assumption based on 2 individuals. FCA nor Ford release their retail sales numbers. Ford’s fleet sales are more profitable than the FCA retail sales anyway as Fiat profit margin is 1/3 of what Ford’s is.


90 posted on 07/01/2015 2:20:38 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: Norm Lenhart
(((But they are ALL pricing themselves into a problem)))

I just had this conversation with a friend of mine. If the auto manufacturers could produce a compact car from circa 1965 (Dodge Dart, Ford Falcon, Rambler, Nova, etc) just as it was from the factory in 1965 with ignition points, carburetor, 3 on the tree, and drum brakes; what would the price point be and what would the sales numbers be? I contend that it would sell in huge numbers as the styling is better than anything else out there, it would be cheaper to fix as there is no electronic componentry and the price point would be far lower than the new vehicles due to the simplicity of production.

That is IF the Gubmint boys would allow them to produce such a vehicle.

91 posted on 07/01/2015 2:23:46 PM PDT by Cowman (As Jerry Williams used to say --- When comes the revolution....)
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To: Cowman; Norm Lenhart

You’ll be able to 3-D print your own version of such a thing before you know it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3305224/posts


92 posted on 07/01/2015 2:28:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: Cowman

Never. Never in a million Democrat years would they allow it. No one but the auto industry would profit. Thus it’s impossible. Well the owners of the car but no ancilaries like Govt.

A modern production line could rip out such a car for a fraction of the cost of a modern after the factory was set up because of robotics and modern metal tech. And it would still get good mileage at lower pollution rates than the originals because of weight and advances in our knowledge.

The truck I mentioned above a 97 F250 supercab with 4wd and an 8 foot box got under 10 mpg highway from the factory (about 7-8ish) and was a stonedog. It now gets over 15 highway easily/no trick driving and will burn the 37 in tires with no issue.

I built that same basic motor on another truck in 2000ish and it destroyed the stock pollution spec on a Vegas smog check with NO CATS or pollution controls. And I am no nascar engine whiz builder. Just used dog simple hot rod tech. and aftermarket performance parts.


93 posted on 07/01/2015 2:36:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Dyslexic typo...79 Ford


94 posted on 07/01/2015 2:38:06 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

I should also add that said truck was running those 37s with stock 4.10 gearing which is far from optimal for the cam in that engine. I would bet going to 4.56 or 4.88s would increase mileage a couple points all around because in town it’s lugging the motor.

Again, just basic math and performance tech. The factory was most often shoving stupid gearing in the mid 70s vehicles to try eeking out the best milaage. The 410s in the 250 were OK stock but the F150s often had 3.54ish gears, I have seen Chevies with 3.07s on a TRUCK. AT 5000 pounds, thats insane and no wonder 5 mpg wasn’t uncommon with full time 4wd. The engines were constantly lugging even at highway speed.

Then add in the detuned/smogged crap that never worked right...


95 posted on 07/01/2015 2:46:10 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People just keep buying foreign cars!


96 posted on 07/01/2015 2:47:09 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Norm Lenhart

No...you’re right.

Besides my wife wouldn’t be easy to live with after trading away her grandfather’s car.

So I guess I’ll have to just BUY an impeccable survivor Satellite (or GTX or Belvedere II). They don’t come cheap either.


97 posted on 07/01/2015 2:47:58 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

(((Never in a million Democrat years would they allow it. No one but the auto industry would profit.)))

The dark side of my brain also has a suspicion about a vehicle without electronic ignition not being susceptible to a stingray device or GPS tracking


98 posted on 07/01/2015 2:48:04 PM PDT by Cowman (As Jerry Williams used to say --- When comes the revolution....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

anything to do with all the chevy dealerships stolen from their rightful owners in 2009?


99 posted on 07/01/2015 2:49:44 PM PDT by libbylu
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To: libbylu

Or the Hummer, Pontiac, Saturn and others just summarily let go?


100 posted on 07/01/2015 2:50:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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