Posted on 04/28/2015 12:18:27 PM PDT by concernedcitizen76
The Great Emancipator was almost the Great Colonizer: Newly released documents show that to a greater degree than historians had previously known, President Lincoln laid the groundwork to ship freed slaves overseas to help prevent racial strife in the U.S.
Just after he issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, Lincoln authorized plans to pursue a freedmen’s settlement in present-day Belize and another in Guyana, both colonial possessions of Great Britain at the time, said Phillip W. Magness, one of the researchers who uncovered the new documents.
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Well according to the people who say that a people has no moral right to self determination, we still are British.
Obviously we are not, and so therefore they are WRONG, but absolutely refuse to admit it.
Does your psychiatrist know you are delusional again? Or perhaps you are a fiction writer trying out you made up crap on FR?
Do a quick on google search on “Jeff Davis arrests citizens” or “Jeff Davis acts of tyranny” and you will come up with - nothing.
Pity party?
You are absolutely delusional. What would I have to be pitiful about? I back the United States against a miserable bunch of insurrectionists who tried - and failed - to destroy our nation. I back the rule of law against petulant fools who put us all at risk in order to defend the absolutely indefensible - slavery. I stand on the side of the winners and it is you who whines about the losers.
You wouldn’t know objectivity if it smacked you upside your head.
By all means please post examples of Jeff Davis tyranny. I did a google search and came up empty.
More strawmen? You should be ashamed.
Davis was fighting for states rights and was painfully aware of his limits. There is no record of Jeff Davis usurpation.
Maybe you could post the Jeff Davis acts of tyranny? I couldn’t find any. Where he arrested citizens, no data. Jeff DAvis executes citizens - no hits.
The flavor of your messages indicate this issue lives in your head. Your efforts to shift blame to the confederate boogiemen imply that you do have some sort of deep seated guilt.
As Shakespear said, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
I back the rule of law against petulant fools who put us all at risk in order to defend the absolutely indefensible - slavery.
Now right here is where you are deliberately lying. You are once more implying that the Union fought the war to end slavery. No they didn't. They were not going to end slavery, they were going to let it continue just as before. You are once more trying the old "bait and switch", because if you can't keep the argument on slavery, you got nothing. They only abolished it out of revenge, not because it was the right thing to do.
I stand on the side of the winners and it is you who whines about the losers.
Your moral hatred should focus on those people who knew it was evil, and yet planned to allow it to continue. Who's only concern was keeping the yoke of Washington D.C. on people who didn't want it, and who would allow the continuation of slavery so long as the southern states accepted rule from Washington.
Sometimes the bad guys win. Notice who is running FedZilla nowadays? :)
In 1776, a group of states wanted to break away from their Union, the "United Kingdom." They outlined some principles based on natural law which stated that governments should rule by the consent of the governed.
In 1861, a group of states wanted to break away from their Union, the "United States." The operated under the false assumption that the founding principles cited by the United States in leaving the United Kingdom would be respected when States wished to leave that Union.
Again, the confederates were true to the principle that founded this nation, it is the Union that failed to respect their right to leave.
You can wrap it in whatever flowery language you want, but it is the Union which rebelled against this nation's founding charter, not the Confederates.
If the Union argument was true, we would all still be British. It is not a strawman, it is a direct extension of your moral argument. If people don't have a right to leave, then the United States didn't have a right to leave either.
You have a dichotomy that you simply refuse to face.
I don't know of any specific examples of Jeff Davis behaving as did Abraham Lincoln, but I am assured that Jeff Davis was "just as bad", as if that's some sort of argument in favor of tyranny.
These guys make funny arguments anyway. They constantly talk as though the entire war was fought because "Slavery BAD!!!!" because if they don't have that, it looks like what it is; A forceable assimilation in the manner of the Soviet Union occupying Ukraine. A deliberate denial of people's right to self determination.
The war was actually fought for one and only one reason. So that Washington D.C. could continue telling other people what to do. This is where and when FedZilla was born.
Your Liberal Projection™ is just (exactly) like a leftist. My interest in or participation on a WBTS thread equals obsession or, even more absurdly, "deep seated guilt" in your twisted view of the world. Yet your participation and endless apologetics for the indefensible isn't?
Sometimes the bad guys win. Notice who is running FedZilla nowadays?
A complete and utter non sequitur on your part. The "good guys" did win. And their winning had zero to do with "fedzilla".
I'll say one thing, you are certainly good for a laugh. :) Enjoy your gay marriage and obamacare! You apparently don't mind when morality gets imposed on you from Washington D.C.
Yeah, none of this started with the Civil war. Not a bit of it. :)
The south was in a state of pique with the election of Lincoln and spontaneously chose to rebel against the new leader. There was no negotiation, no compromise, no appeal to the rule of law. The south's first option was war. If you can find commonality there then you are an army of one.
the Union which rebelled against this nation's founding charter, not the Confederates.
You have a reality that you simply refuse to face.
GFY
I'll say one thing, there's nothing funny about you at all.
There was negotiation. Lincoln is the one that chose not to continue it.
So I get it. They blew up some rocks and made a bunch of bang bang sounds in the vicinity of Union troops occupying a fortress right smack in the middle of one of their major cities. Nobody got killed, but the Union thought it was worth sending a 40,000 man invasion force.
It is as though a drunk got slapped, and responds by shooting the slapper. It was a completely disproportionate response, but we HAD to get revenge for that Fort. We got 600,000 worth of dead men for it, plus God only knows what loss of treasure and talent.
And we fully established the principle of the Hotel California. You can check in any time you like, but you can never leave!
Now Fedzilla is killing us all, and Mr rockrr thinks we have all consented to be members of a suicide pact.
More like a cult, I think.
Baltimore beckons.
GFY
The reason you are so angry is because in your heart you know it's true. This imposing morality from Washington D.C. was established by the Civil war. This forcing compliance with what Washington wants, started with the Civil War.
Abortion, Homosexuality, throwing religion out of schools, Welfare, Printing money, borrowing and spending, and pretty much every bad thing going on right now, all started as a result of the Civil War.
North Eastern Liberals from Boston, New York, and Washington, pretty much run the country, just as it was in 1861. Whatever is their newly acquired moral position, well, that's the one Washington D.C. will be shortly shoving down our throat.
You just have a shallow grasp of what is going on. You should watch James Burke and his connection series. Perhaps then you can see how this led to that, and that led to this other thing, and that's how we ended up where we are today.
"Negotiations" after the fact are not negotiations - they are ultimatums. The south wanted war. The south got war - and a good butt kicking.
These southern bigots lie, if you are too lazy to fight their lies then you are doing a disservice to the truth. THERE ARE NO EQUVILENT ACTS OF TYRANNY ON THE PART OF JEFF DAVIS.
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