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To: bigdaddy45

My post making no sense, really Obama’s mother being born in Kansas and his being born in Hawaii. Really what if Obama was born when his mother was really 14 after she had been raped by Frank Marshall Davis, Hawaii was not a state. If she was 18 and Hawaii had just become a state. His father was not an American Citizen if it is to be considered to be Obama Sr. Patriarchy (father’s citizenship)determines citizenship of a child. In terms Obama should not be president. Neither should Cruz, but it does not matter what I think. It is the US Constitution - natural born citizen - both parents being of age 21 and adult citizens for a minimum of 2 years. The constitution trumps naturalization. Look at Samuel Pufendorf’s Two Books of the Elements of Universal Jurisprudence, whereby the concept of natural birth were discussed as well the discussion that the founding fathers deemed in the development of the US Constitution. Also look at Law of the Nations as the development of the uS Constitution. When I served this country in the military, I took an oath to the US Consitution not a president. Something is wrong in this country when back to back questions regarding citizenship status of two candidates for president, one serving and one wanting to serve.

I have stated get ready for those to scream about Cruz’s mother being from Delaware and his father from Cuba, but having immigrated through Texas, due to the oil industry. Was Cruz’s father naturalized in Texas?

like I sad get ready for people to question Cruz’s allegiances o, even though he renounced his Canadian citizenship just one year ago.

I am a conservative.


52 posted on 03/23/2015 3:26:48 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: hondact200

gee, thanks for clearing that up.


55 posted on 03/23/2015 3:58:23 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: hondact200

Your “what if” scenario belies the facts in evidence. Hawaii became a state seventeen days shy of TWO YEARS before Obama was born. Senator Barry Goldwater could have become president and he was born in Arizona Territory BEFORE statehood. Charles Curtis WAS Vice President of the United States with Herbert Hoover and he was born in Kansas Territory a year BEFORE statehood.

Obama qualifies solely on the basis of his birth in Hawaii. His parents are irrelevant since neither of them had diplomatic immunity or were members of a foreign military. Obama’s parents were married at the time of his birth.
Senator Cruz qualifies because even though he was born in Canada, his mother was born in Delaware and U.S. law makes him a Citizen of the United States At Birth. Senator Cruz’s parents were married at the time of his birth.
Here’s the section of the law of the land that covers both of them:
Obama: 8 U.S.C. § 1401
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
Cruz:
g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:


61 posted on 03/24/2015 10:56:26 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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