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Myth: You Must Be Highly Trained for Successful Handgun use
Gun Watch ^ | 21 February, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 02/23/2015 4:38:31 AM PST by marktwain


Gun people love training.  They revel in expertise.  They gush over the incredible feats that expert gun users, from Annie Oakley to Jerry Miculek, can accomplish.  Do not mistake me.  I approve of training.  Training is good.  I have trained a lot of hours... and days... and years... and decades.  I have trained military, police, and civilians.  But large numbers of people use handguns very successfully with little or no training.

A case in point occurred recently in Ohio.  From 10tv.com:

“She was armed and apparently fired multiple shots at him,” said Sgt. Dave Sicilia.

The woman’s son says he bought the gun for her a week ago to keep her safe now that she is living alone, but he never thought she would actually have to use it.

Police believe the suspect also broke into neighboring homes.

Nearby residents heard the shot.

"I got up and looked into my kids’ room and made sure they were all right,” said one person.

The burglary suspect was rushed to the hospital with serious injuries. He was pronounced dead shortly before 7:00 a.m.
While we cannot be sure that the armed homeowner had no training, the article does not mention any.  It is implied that the son never expected his mother to actually fire the firearm.   I have read numerous accounts of how people have not handled a gun for decades; then pick it up and use it effectively.   Guns are designed to be easily used and to point naturally at the target.

A large group of people who use guns effectively without training are criminals.  Most criminals are not allowed to legally handle guns, so using public ranges for training is difficult and dangerous for them.  Similarly, most criminals are inner city urban dwellers who do not have a back 40 or a hunting cabin in the mountains where they can practice all day and not be considered out of place.  They do not have an Uncle Sugar who provides ammunition for free.  Criminals mostly use guns for intimidation; it does not require training to be intimidating with a gun in your hand. 

The biggest reason that most people can use firearms effectively without training is simple.  In most defensive firearm uses, as in most criminal uses, the firearm is never fired.   I have seen estimates of guns used to stop crime and for self defense, without being fired, at ratios of 20 to 1 or more.  It is not an easy number to measure.

I recommend that people be trained, that they practice once a month, and that they take courses in self defense.  Once a basic level of firearms proficiency is met, from a purely practical standpoint, training time for self defense is better spent on situational awareness, avoidance techniques, and tactics.  

If you wish to reach a high level of shooting proficiency for hunting, self defense, competition, or war, then lots of time on the range will pay off.  However, most people who successfully defend themselves are not highly trained.


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If guns are used without being fired at a 20-1 ratio, and shots are missed at a 8-1 ratio, and people are wounded instead of killed at a 5-1 ratio, then there would be 800 uses to one justified homicide.
1 posted on 02/23/2015 4:38:33 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

That’s plausible. I have used a firearm twice for self defense. In both cases I made it clear to the perp that I had one; both perps immediately remembered some sort of pressing engagement elsewhere ...


2 posted on 02/23/2015 4:44:44 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: marktwain

One just has to watch you tube videos of self-defense shootings to see just how poorly trained some users are.

But yet they prevail over the criminals that are attacking them.

It all goes back to the number one rule have a gun.


3 posted on 02/23/2015 4:45:33 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: marktwain

“Myth: You Must Be Highly Trained for Successful Handgun use”

True, look at the fuzz. Most of them can’t hit the broad
side of a barn. Their average is 30 rounds fired to one hit.


4 posted on 02/23/2015 5:00:51 AM PST by Slambat
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To: Slambat

Why is that? A gun instructor i had said the same thing. I would expect a trained carpenter to hit the head of a nail 90% of the time,


5 posted on 02/23/2015 5:04:28 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: marktwain

I got involved with action shooting in 2000. I disliked it. I was trained by dad who fought as a Marine in the Pacific in WW 2, how to shoot. I was taught to squeeze off shots. Not run around and shoot a bunch of targets in a certain order with only enough accuracy to hit center mass. Though I shot action matches for 7 years I was much better picking my targets at my leisure and squeezing off bullseyes.
I can draw and get on target pretty fast but my prime gun practice is to use ‘ the Patriot’s’ lesson to his boys. “Aim Small Miss Small “.

That’s just me, everyone needs to pick their own way.


6 posted on 02/23/2015 5:06:37 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

Most handguns never fire 1,000 rounds. But they are used effectively by many people.


7 posted on 02/23/2015 5:28:55 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: marktwain

Some people, too, have a knack for things.

For example, I was not highly trained (no practice shots) with my new crossbow 6 months ago.

Yet with 4 raccoons (that had killed chickens and pillaged my trashcans), the first 4 bolts I fired from crossbow ever, were direct hits (kills) on the raccoons. Illuminated sight made it easier, too.


8 posted on 02/23/2015 5:31:02 AM PST by baltimorepoet
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To: Vaquero

“When you have to shoot, shoot, don’t talk” Tuco from The Good the Bad & the Ugly


9 posted on 02/23/2015 5:35:03 AM PST by orlop9
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To: orlop9

Si!


10 posted on 02/23/2015 5:39:42 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

God made man but Samuel Colt made them equal


11 posted on 02/23/2015 5:45:41 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: King Moonracer

I have considerable experience driving nails and even though I haven’t done much of it lately I think I could still hit the head of a nail with a hammer about 98% of the time. As for shooting, I laughed at all the speculation about the DC snipers, so-called experts were saying that they OBVIOUSLY had to be trained by the military simply because of successful head shots at relatively short ranges. My father never served a day in the military and would not spend money for ammunition to practice with but he could take the eyes out of a squirrel at a hundred feet with a bolt action .22 loaded with shorts and with open sights. I am fairly certain that something the size of a human head would have been easy for him at a hundred YARDS even when he was eighty years old, especially with a .223 and telescopic sights. If you want to shoot like Annie Oakley you need to shoot every day but someone who has never fired a gun before can hit a man sized target at twenty feet first try if it is just a target. The main reason for all the misses, at least in my opinion, is nerves. A person who is defending his life for the first time with a weapon is apt to be very shaky. It is of no benefit to be able to shoot like Annie Oakley at targets if you are as shaky as Barney Fife when you need to hit a home invader. That is the real need for training, to be able to remain calm enough to shoot back under fire and days spent shooting targets don’t guarantee that.


12 posted on 02/23/2015 5:46:46 AM PST by RipSawyer (OPM is the religion of the sheeple.)
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To: marktwain
The most valuable part of "gun training" is safety. After that, learn how to shoot and try different styles. I guarantee you that if a bad guy draws on you and starts firing away, you are not going to go into the Weaver Ready position, cup your one hand in the other perfectly, practice breath control, refocus your forward sight slowly into your rear sight, carefully squeeze the trigger while not anticipating recoil, take one shot, and then go into the lowered arm stance.

Watch any video dash-cam of a cop who is surprised by a thug pulling a gun. It is bedlam.

13 posted on 02/23/2015 5:53:28 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: King Moonracer
"Why is that? A gun instructor i had said the same thing. I would expect a trained carpenter to hit the head of a nail 90% of the time,"

How often is the nail hitting back?

14 posted on 02/23/2015 5:56:58 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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To: marktwain

One of my firearms instructors told me the FBI estimates there are between 2 million and 5 million legal defensive uses of firearms per year. Most go unreported to police, many “reported” or called in to police generate no official paperwork. The instructor himself had done that. Stopped a carjacking of his truck, not shots, no personal nor property damage (perp ran away scared). Called it in, no action taken. My own mother scared away someone lurking outside her open bedroom window with the classic racking of here 12 GA pump. He (probably a he) took off stumbling and crashing through the landscaping. Mom fixed it up but never even called it in.

So yes, I believe that literally hundreds of times per day firearms stop bad situations from escalating to worse. I know of these two examples out of a small group of family and friends who own/carry firearms. I also know a few people who did not or do not who have had bad things happen to them including one rape. I am convinced, overall, firearms save lives and reduce violence.


15 posted on 02/23/2015 5:58:28 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Vaquero

The point of the better action shooting games is to introduce stress into the accuracy equation, mimicking in a small way the stress of a self-defense situation.

Shooting accurately and quickly under stress is obviously a much different thing than carefully squeezing off shots at paper targets.


16 posted on 02/23/2015 6:02:14 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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To: marktwain

depends on what they mean by ‘highly trained’


17 posted on 02/23/2015 6:11:05 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Vaquero
Aim Small Miss Small

Good advice and worth repeating. My dad (Army Weapons Specialist) taught me the same. 'Bring the sights to target, take half a breath, squeeze the trigger.'

I think many LEO misses are due to the constant message of 'draw, fire, keep firing until the threat is stopped.'

I think that message works as long as you have superior numbers, but what happens when the ammo runs out?

Better advice might be to simply, 'make every shot count'.

18 posted on 02/23/2015 6:12:39 AM PST by beancounter13
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To: NorthMountain

I agree. Entirely plausible.

I’ve used a handgun for self defense at least 5 times without firing a shot and a shotgun twice to deter a home burglary without firing a shot.


19 posted on 02/23/2015 6:17:11 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: riverrunner

Those same videos show how poorly trained the criminals are.

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20 posted on 02/23/2015 6:21:29 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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