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To: af_vet_1981
In none of that are Jews to be murdered (a Catholic and Nazi innovation), nowhere are Jews forced to wear a patch identifying them as Jews (Catholics were the innovators on that one), in that the Jews lose their books (the Catholics and the Nazis burned them). The Jews couldn't teach because they didn't teach 'in accord with the law of the Lord' according to Luther, and as a result lost the right to teach, (same thing with the teachings of the Pope at the time and henceforth). Jews couldn't travel if these restrictions had been implemented. Under the Catholics AND the Nazis, Jews were restricted to ghettos. Jews would have to do manual labor, the only restriction that was of Luther alone. Catholics didn't care what Jews did outside of the usury practice that they and Luther decried. Nazis had them killed.

Significantly, the Nazis didn't implement Luther's plan, they like the Catholics before them burned their books, stole their property, confined them to ghettos made them wear a special mark on their clothes. Catholics killed Jews for being Jews, but they drew the line at trying to kill them all like the Nazis did.

Only a student of history wearing papal blinders and using a Nazi propagandist as a witness could accuse Luther of any innovation in dealing with Jews. The charge isn't credible.

I'v noticed that you have said nothing of the facts regarding the Catholic Church's systematic and ongoing AS. Why is that? Nor have I seen or read an apology. Here, we aren't talking about AS expressed 400+ years old, but in the past century. Again, why is that?

97 posted on 10/15/2014 11:18:17 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

One last thought on the expulsions, they were largely women, children and old men who were forced from their homes and sent to relocation camps elsewhere in Germany. Some of the relocation camps didn’t close until the late 50’s. To this day, these people are considered foreigners in Germany. Many of these folks were from the far eastern parts of Germany and were relocated to Bavaria and other parts of what was then West Germany (largely the American and British sectors). They were culturally different from the people around them and they were largely kept on the outside of the local German culture. They’re more assimilated today but the first couple of generations were very much foreigners in West Germany.


100 posted on 10/15/2014 11:35:47 AM PDT by LeoMcNeil
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To: xone
  1. In none of that are Jews to be murdered
  2. I'v noticed that you have said nothing of the facts regarding the Catholic Church's systematic and ongoing AS. Why is that? Nor have I seen or read an apology. Here, we aren't talking about AS expressed 400+ years old, but in the past century. Again, why is that?
    Luther advocated the murder of Jews in his book. Pope John Paul II apologized for the sins of the Catholics.
  1. 18] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".[19] -- Luther

  2. Blessed Pope John Paul II : One of his first acts toward reconciliation occurred during his visit to Poland in 1979 when he knelt and prayed at Auschwitz. Seven years later, on April 13, 1986, he made an even more dramatic trip, this one just across the Tiber River, to Rome’s Great Synagogue, becoming the first pope to visit a Jewish house of worship. There he warmly embraced Rome’s chief rabbi, Elio Toaff, and described Jews as the “elder brothers” of Christians.

    In 1994, John Paul established full diplomatic ties between the Vatican and Israel. He said, “For the Jewish people who live in the State of Israel and who preserve in that land such precious testimonies to their history and their faith, we must ask for the desired security and the due tranquillity that are the prerogative of every nation . . .”

    The Pope also was instrumental in the publication of “We Remember: A Reflection on the Shoah,” the 1998 document expressing the Church's “deep sorrow for the failures of her sons and daughters in every age.”

    He visited Israel in 2000, publicly apologizing for the persecution of Jews by Catholics over the centuries, including the Holocaust, and depositing a note pleading for forgiveness in a crack in the Western Wall.


  3. It seems to me very painful and bitter when one has built a religion on a man like Martin Luther, when one has to face the real possibility that he fell from grace and is excluded from the kingdom. It may be too much of an obstacle for those who venerate him.

103 posted on 10/15/2014 11:56:39 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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