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1. In none of that are Jews to be murdered
2. I'v noticed that you have said nothing of the facts regarding the Catholic Church's systematic and ongoing AS. Why is that? Nor have I seen or read an apology. Here, we aren't talking about AS expressed 400+ years old, but in the past century. Again, why is that?

Luther advocated the murder of Jews in his book. Pope John Paul II apologized for the sins of the Catholics.
1. 18] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".[19] -- Luther
   
   
2. Blessed Pope John Paul II : One of his first acts toward reconciliation occurred during his visit to Poland in 1979 when he knelt and prayed at Auschwitz. Seven years later, on April 13, 1986, he made an even more dramatic trip, this one just across the Tiber River, to Rome’s Great Synagogue, becoming the first pope to visit a Jewish house of worship. There he warmly embraced Rome’s chief rabbi, Elio Toaff, and described Jews as the “elder brothers” of Christians.
   
   In 1994, John Paul established full diplomatic ties between the Vatican and Israel. He said, “For the Jewish people who live in the State of Israel and who preserve in that land such precious testimonies to their history and their faith, we must ask for the desired security and the due tranquillity that are the prerogative of every nation . . .”
   
   The Pope also was instrumental in the publication of “We Remember: A Reflection on the Shoah,” the 1998 document expressing the Church's “deep sorrow for the failures of her sons and daughters in every age.”
   
   He visited Israel in 2000, publicly apologizing for the persecution of Jews by Catholics over the centuries, including the Holocaust, and depositing a note pleading for forgiveness in a crack in the Western Wall.
   
   
3. It seems to me very painful and bitter when one has built a religion on a man like Martin Luther, when one has to face the real possibility that he fell from grace and is excluded from the kingdom. It may be too much of an obstacle for those who venerate him.

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Wiki? Again? Wiki SEEMS to be a lot like you, lots of SEEMING going on, little facts. Luther never killed a Jew, unless you got some more Nazi proof.

Pope John Paul II apologized for the sins of the Catholics.

I wonder how much sincerity is there when a rabid anti-Jew, Arafat, Catholic friend had died in 2004. Laying that aside, 1900 years of abuse and finally the Pope apologizes. That's nice, come again in 1500 years, maybe the Lutherans will all be lib and have a Pope to do so as well.

t seems to me very painful and bitter when one has built a religion on a man like Martin Luther, when one has to face the real possibility that he fell from grace and is excluded from the kingdom. It may be too much of an obstacle for those who venerate him.

More seems? Lutheranism, named by the Catholics against Luther's wishes doesn't venerate anyone. We don't make such fake distinctions as the Catholics. All praise to Christ alone! Lutheran doctrine resides in the Book of Concord and drawn from Scripture, all of it. As far as a 'fall from grace' you do really do know nothing: In his last moments, Luther was asked by his friend Justus Jonas, “Do you want to die standing firm on Christ and the doctrine you have taught?” He answered emphatically, “Yes!” Luther’s last words were: “We are beggars. This is true.”

He knew who his Redeemer was, Christ and Christ alone. Not His mom. Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Sola Christus.