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To: xone
Luther never killed a Jew

He knew who his Redeemer was, Christ and Christ alone. Not His mom. Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Sola Christus.

I don't believe you can know either of those assertions as facts, just as you cannot know all his secret sins. You can know what is recorded. It does seem to me that you must believe Luther is in heaven or your religion comes apart at the seams. It was founded on Luther rebelling from his Catholic faith and formulating the religious doctrines upon which Lutheranism relies. If Luther was mentally ill, or just evil, all that foundation is burned.

Trying to shore up a master so the movement endures is not unusual. Trying to shift the blame to another will not absolve Luther either.

Luther hated the Jews and wrote about it; his writings are beyond the pale and it seems to me he was under the influence of that adversary, the dragon, who has sought the destruction of the Jews at every turn in history. The Nazis, under the same influence, invoked Luther to justify the Holocaust, implementing his seven or so steps.

105 posted on 10/15/2014 3:12:09 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
It does seem to me that you must believe Luther is in heaven or your religion comes apart at the seams.

Back to SEEMING again. My salvation like Luther's is based on believing that Christ redeemed us, period. His salvation was based on his belief, mine is based on my belief sustained by the Holy Spirit as Scripture and the Lutheran church teaches. Founded on God's Word, I have no need of the superstitions of the Catholics nor to be in communion with those that deny the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice and resurrection by adding additional non biblical dogma as a condition to go to purgatory.

If Luther was mentally ill, or just evil, all that foundation is burned.

Because the mentally ill can't go to heaven? Evil men can't get right with God via repentance. Strange Christianity there, but then again you're a Catholic, who knows what Traditions there are.

Trying to shift the blame to another will not absolve Luther either.

I didn't know Luther was alive in the run up to WWII. I know the Catholic church was and complicit in acts of AS. How many secretly approved of the early stages of the Nazi acts against the Jews? Certainly wasn't out of line with their Catholic ancestors, but then Hitler killed more than the Church had. No numbers for the Lutherans, but the throne of Rome was certainly stained with the blood of Jews. I am not trying to absolve Luther for Luther's acts, they were between himself and his Lord. But as with the priest underage homo sex scandal, some modern day Catholics try to tar others with the brush. So it is with you and AS, Luther wrote an execrable treatise along with many of his adversaries. I've denounced Luther's, but not a word of admonition or regret for the same from Catholic scholars of the same day from such a pious man as yourself.

The Nazis, under the same influence, invoked Luther to justify the Holocaust, implementing his seven or so steps.

Now you don't even read posts to you and make these ridiculous statements. Little commonality between Luther's steps and the Nazis. Lots and lots of commonality with the Catholics and Nazis.

it seems to me he was under the influence of that adversary, the dragon,

More SEEMING from you, but you're correct in this one. Luther did allow Satan to influence that writing. Sadly, he did it anyway. Thanks be to God for repentance.

106 posted on 10/15/2014 5:47:14 PM PDT by xone
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To: af_vet_1981
I don't believe you can know either of those assertions as facts, just as you cannot know all his secret sins.

I missed this snippet, I don't know if Luther ever killed a Jew, but for someone as famous as he was it is doubtful it wouldn't have been noticed. Luther's secret sins? Luther taught daily repentance do you assert now with no proof that he didn't do it himself? After all, with you, the writings make the man. As for knowing his Redeemer, you should try something of Luther beside the JATL. How about when he kicked Eck's hind end at the Diet of Worms? Good stuff. Fortunately he had a real safe passage unlike Hus who was burnt after being guaranteed the same by Catholics.

107 posted on 10/15/2014 5:56:57 PM PDT by xone
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