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To: af_vet_1981
It does seem to me that you must believe Luther is in heaven or your religion comes apart at the seams.

Back to SEEMING again. My salvation like Luther's is based on believing that Christ redeemed us, period. His salvation was based on his belief, mine is based on my belief sustained by the Holy Spirit as Scripture and the Lutheran church teaches. Founded on God's Word, I have no need of the superstitions of the Catholics nor to be in communion with those that deny the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice and resurrection by adding additional non biblical dogma as a condition to go to purgatory.

If Luther was mentally ill, or just evil, all that foundation is burned.

Because the mentally ill can't go to heaven? Evil men can't get right with God via repentance. Strange Christianity there, but then again you're a Catholic, who knows what Traditions there are.

Trying to shift the blame to another will not absolve Luther either.

I didn't know Luther was alive in the run up to WWII. I know the Catholic church was and complicit in acts of AS. How many secretly approved of the early stages of the Nazi acts against the Jews? Certainly wasn't out of line with their Catholic ancestors, but then Hitler killed more than the Church had. No numbers for the Lutherans, but the throne of Rome was certainly stained with the blood of Jews. I am not trying to absolve Luther for Luther's acts, they were between himself and his Lord. But as with the priest underage homo sex scandal, some modern day Catholics try to tar others with the brush. So it is with you and AS, Luther wrote an execrable treatise along with many of his adversaries. I've denounced Luther's, but not a word of admonition or regret for the same from Catholic scholars of the same day from such a pious man as yourself.

The Nazis, under the same influence, invoked Luther to justify the Holocaust, implementing his seven or so steps.

Now you don't even read posts to you and make these ridiculous statements. Little commonality between Luther's steps and the Nazis. Lots and lots of commonality with the Catholics and Nazis.

it seems to me he was under the influence of that adversary, the dragon,

More SEEMING from you, but you're correct in this one. Luther did allow Satan to influence that writing. Sadly, he did it anyway. Thanks be to God for repentance.

106 posted on 10/15/2014 5:47:14 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone
My salvation like Luther's is based on believing that Christ redeemed us, period. His salvation was based on his belief, mine is based on my belief sustained by the Holy Spirit as Scripture and the Lutheran church teaches. Founded on God's Word, I have no need of the superstitions of the Catholics nor to be in communion with those that deny the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice and resurrection by adding additional non biblical dogma as a condition to go to purgatory.

That is not the impression I get from reading your comments. It seems to me you are tightly coupled with Luther and dependent on him being saved for you to be saved. I think that is the, perhaps unstated or understated, premise of Lutherism. Without Luther it is primary facile illegitimate. He is the self-appointed apostle of the Gentiles who ended up hating the Jews, the antithesis of blessed Paul, who we know is in the kingdom of heaven. Because the mentally ill can't go to heaven? Evil men can't get right with God via repentance.

No, you miss the point. One defense of Luther is that he was mentally ill. If so, he was under the influence and not of a sound mind when he reformed something into a new religion. If he was evil, well, there are many passages in the NT warning against teachers like that too. No numbers for the Lutherans,

They were approximately two thirds of the German nation, the vast majority were complicit in the Holocaust, especially in light of Matthew 25.

I've denounced Luther's, but not a word of admonition or regret for the same from Catholic scholars of the same day from such a pious man as yourself.

I denounce the evil sins of all the Germans, Catholic and Lutheran, who hated and persecuted the Jews. I further denounce all the sins of the Gentiles that have failed the LORD God of Jacob by maligning Jacob in their envy, malice, pride, wicked imaginations, and ungodly antisemitism, from the time the Jewish apostles were martyred unto this day.

Thanks be to God for repentance.

I'm not aware Luther ever repented. Luther Favored the Death Penalty for Anabaptists Because They Opposed Infant Baptism, As Well As Other Catholic Doctrines He Held Onto.

108 posted on 10/15/2014 7:54:05 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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