Brown v. Ferguson: Are We Better Off Separate Than Equal

The Huffington Post ^ | October 6, 2014 | Torri Stuckey

[2ndDivisionVet]

In a strange twist of fate, two age-old Civil Rights cases collide in Ferguson, MO -- half a century later. Is it just coincidence? Or could there be a deeper subliminal message lying tucked between the levels of America's consciousness? I decided to take a closer look.

Forever connected, yet perched on the opposite ends of the spectrum, Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) and Brown v. Board of Education (1954) are two landmark Supreme Court cases in the fight for African-American civil rights. The former case legalized racial segregation under the "separate but equal" law, while the latter case outlawed the doctrine.

In the immediate aftermath of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, the United States Army and National Guard were called to duty across the south to facilitate the enforcement of the ruling -- helping students of color register at previously all-white schools. However, most schools sprinkled in just enough color to be in compliance with no regard for full integration.

Fast forward sixty years. In 2014, the same "sprinkle in just enough color to be in compliance" practice is prevalent throughout our local and federal government, Corporate America, academia and beyond....

[SAJ]

Ah, yes, more agitprop from the HuffingGlue Post. Yawn...

[DiogenesLamp]

I often point out that the court which decided "Separate but Equal" is the same court that decided Wong Kim Ark was a citizen.

To those people who say there are not two different standards for citizenship, I point out that the Wong/Plessy court explicitly said there is.

[Jim from C-Town]

The races are pretty much separate NOW. Look at cities like Detroit: 4.3 million in the metro area. 92% are either white (70%) or Black (22%). Yet the City of Detroit is 82% Black and 10% white, while the suburbs are 80% white and less than 10% Black.

Other large cities are practically identical racial segregation.

[ConorMacNessa]

Brown v. Ferguson: Are We Better Off Separate Than Equal?"

Short answer? Hell no!

For well over two centuries people of "diverse" origin and ethnicity have come here and assimilated into American Society - E Pluribus Unum!

"Separate but equal" is an oxymoron. The danger to our society is not that any ethnicity is being "oppressed." It is that old racial grievances are being inflamed and exploited by demagogues like Sharpton, Holder and Obama.

America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

[No One Special]

Sorry. It’s Brown vs. Board of Education and Plessy vs. Ferguson. ;-)

[2ndDivisionVet]

See the article.

[No One Special]

It’s a joke. That’s why I winked. :-)

[No One Special]

LOL. I probably should have.

[2ndDivisionVet]

I don’t always notice that since I don’t use them.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

We are the same race of people who from 1984 to 2007 experienced the wealth gap between whites and blacks increase fourfold from $20,000 to $95,000. I recall reports that the gap grew between the middle class and the upper 1 percent or whatever. A lot of whites are in that middle class.

We are the same race of people that find ourselves locked behind bars at a rate that is unparallel to any other race.

Compared to the population of your race yes vs. all other races.. but in pure numbers whites beat ya nowadays. Table 349. Jail Inmates by Sex, Race, and Hispanic Origin: 1990 to 2009 [Data for 2000 and 2007 – 2009 are based on the Annual Survey of Jails]

Table 349. Jail Inmates by Sex, Race, and Hispanic Origin: 1990 to 2009 [Data for 2000 and 2007 – 2009 are based on the Annual Survey of Jails]

Characteristic	1990		1995		2000		2005		2007		2008		2009
Total inmates1,2	405,320		507,044		621,149		747,529		780,174		785,536		767,434
Incarceration rate*	163		193		220		252		259		258		250
Rated capacity3,4	389,171		545,763		677,787		786,954		810,543		828,714		849,895
Adult	403,019		499,300		613,534		740,770		773,341		777,832		760,216
Male	365,821		448,000		543,120		646,807		673,346		678,660		667,039
Female	37,198		51,300		70,414		93,963		99,995		99,172		93,176
Juveniles5	2,301		7,800		7,615		6,759		6,833		7,703		7,218
White, non-Hispanic	169,600		203,300		260,500		331,000		338,200		333,300		326,400
Black, non-Hispanic	172,300		220,600		256,300		290,500		301,700		308,000		300,500
Hispanic/Latino6	58,100		74,400		94,100		111,900		125,500		128,500		124,000
Other6	5,400		8,800		10,200		13,000		13,900		14,000		14,800

• * per 100,000 U.S. residents
• 1 Total does not include offenders who were supervised outside of jail facilities.
• 2 Race and Hispanic Origin data do not include the Two or More Race data.
• 3 Beginning 1995, rated capacity subject to sampling error.
• 4 Rated capacity is the number of beds or inmates assigned by a rating official to facilities within each jurisdiction.
• 5 Juveniles are persons held under the age of 18. Includes juveniles who were tried or awaiting trial as adults.
• 6 Persons of Hispanic Origin may be any race.
• 7 Excludes persons of Hispanic or Latino origin. Includes American Indians, Alaska Natives, Asians, and Pacific Islanders.

Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Jail Inmates at Midyear 2009, annual, Series NCJ 230112, June 2010. See also.

I believe these little tables are about federal prisons.. again whites beat ya in pure numbers 127,251 to 80,091.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Tables, August 2014

Age	# of Inmates	% of Inmates
Under 18	35	0.0%
18-21	2,870	1.3%
22-25	12,956	6.0%
26-30	28,976	13.5%
31-35	40,449	18.8%
36-40	38,633	18.0%
41-45	31,882	14.8%
46-50	22,839	10.6%
51-55	16,220	7.6%
56-60	9,750	4.5%
61-65	5,548	2.6%
65	4,541	2.1%

Native Country
# of Inmates	% of Inmates
Colombia	2,023	0.9%
Cuba	1,452	0.7%
Dominican Republic	2,077	1.0%
Mexico	36,236	16.9%
Other/Unknown	10,672	5.0%
United States	162,239	75.6%

Ethnicity	# of Inmates	% of Inmates
Hispanic	74,338	34.6%
Non-Hispanic	140,361	65.4%

Gender	# of Inmates	% of Inmates
Female	14,314	6.7%
Male	200,385	93.3%

Race	# of Inmates	% of Inmates
Asian	3,316	1.5%
Black	80,091	37.3%
Native American	4,041	1.9%
White	127,251	59.3%

Sentence	# of Inmates	% of Inmates
Less than 1 year	6,668	2.3 %
1-3 years	23,891	11.8%
3-5 years	27,130	13.4%
5-10 years	51,460	25.4%
10-15 years	40,988	20.3%
15-20 years	22,265	11.0%
More than 20 years	24,450	12.1%
Life	5,493	2.7%
Death	58	0.0%

Offense	# of Inmates	% of Inmates
Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement	724	0.4%
Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses	7,913	3.9%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise	454	0.2%
Courts or Corrections	827	0.4%
Drug Offenses	98,964	48.8%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery	12,428	6.1%
Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses	5,775	2.9%
Immigration	20,853	10.3%
Miscellaneous	1,545	0.8%
National Security	81	0.0%
Robbery	7,514	3.7%
Sex Offenses	13,329	6.6%
Weapons, Explosives, Arson	32,203	15.9%

Security Level	# of Inmates	% of Inmates
Minimum	36,787	17.1%
Low	83,753	39.0%
Medium	62,586	29.2%
High	24,036	11.2%
Unclassified	7,537	3.5%

Looks like black utes win the next one for ya.

Juvenile Arrest Rate

Juvenile Arrest Rate Trends

The Violent Crime Index arrest rate declined for all racial groups since the mid-1990s.

Juvenile Arrest Rates for Violent Crime Index offenses by Race, 1980-2011

Year		Whites		Blacks		American Indians		Asians
1980		172.5		1,040.0		204.9		118.5
1981		165.5		1,092.5		160.1		98.8
1982		168.5		1,044.8		203.8		105.8
1983		156.7		1,014.9		160.6		89.3
1984		156.5		1,015.2		152.1		81.8
1985		169.3		1,036.9		182.2		81.8
1986		175.1		1,076.3		174.2		81.1
1987		167.9		1,058.9		183.5		85.6
1988		192.5		1,164.1		217.6		113.6
1989		225.6		1,337.6		216.1		108.7
1990		247.6		1,373.2		223.2		128.5
1991		272.8		1,391.9		226.9		143.2
1992		279.5		1,456.9		248.1		146.0
1993		288.7		1,531.0		281.4		156.8
1994		307.3		1,600.1		322.1		180.7
1995		302.8		1,552.4		327.0		175.3
1996		284.3		1,291.2		288.0		185.4
1997		265.0		1,137.3		264.7		163.2
1998		247.1		984.8		247.3		136.3
1999		226.4		871.7		225.0		121.2
2000		210.3		817.3		200.0		111.8
2001		203.9		790.6		173.9		99.3
2002		190.3		738.4		182.0		92.2
2003		181.1		747.1		158.1		83.8
2004		177.6		738.7		156.4		72.6
2005		175.2		823.3		155.3		67.1
2006		180.0		875.2		173.7		74.0
2007		175.3		842.4		146.0		69.2
2008		172.4		861.9		118.1		63.1
2009		155.6		780.3		118.8		59.1
2010		140.6		683.9		114.2		46.1
2011		125.5		627.4		104.7		40.8
Year		Whites		Blacks		American Indians		Asians

Note: Rates are arrests of persons ages 10-17 per 100,000 persons ages 10-17 in the resident population. Persons of Hispanic ethnicity may be of any race, i.e., white, black, American Indian, or Asian. Arrests of Hispanics are not reported separately.

The Violent Crime Index includes the offenses of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

• Violent Crime Index arrest rates increased substantially for juveniles in all racial groups between the mid-1980s and mid-1990s. The rate peaked in 1994 for black and white juveniles, in 1995 for American Indians, and in 1996 for Asians. Following these peaks, the rates declined through 2011 for Asian (78%), American Indian (68%), white (59%) youth and black (61%) youth.
• The Violent Crime Index arrest rate in 2011 for black juveniles (627) was 5 times the rate for white (125) youth, 6 times the rate for American Indian juveniles (105), and 15 times the rate for Asian juveniles (41).
• In the 1980s, the Violent Crime Index arrest rate for black juveniles was 6 times the white rate. This ratio declined during the 1990s, holding at 4 to 1 from 1998 to 2004. Since 2004, the racial disparity in the rates increased, reaching 5 to 1 in the late 2000s.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Torri Stuckey: Likewise, young black men are being gunned down by white police officers or getting buried underneath the prison to rot. As a result of all the police brutality and misconduct, there is a strong belief that white police officers cannot effectively patrol black communities. These issues reflect a clear and present racial divide.

Again whites beat ya.. more of us are victims of police homicide than you.

The FBI and other sources homicide by law enforcement figures below include the majority of all police departments.

The point of this reply is to point out that whites are the most likely to die while being arrested for example.

The Obama-Holder U.S. Dept. Just Us and the race-grievance industry will of course exploit all shootings to the max vis-a-vis race more than any concern for the poor victim.

The ARD data show that whites are more likely to die while being arrested and IMO there is no doubt that some of those deaths were the intention of the police.

What about the larger number of whites and Arrest-Related Deaths (ARD)? Why is that okay with Obama, the race-grievance industry, and the media? We never see coverage of questionable ARDs involving whites that's anything close to Ferguson for example.

Especially.. forget race, what about Ms Carey the young woman chased, surrounded and gunned down by federal agents in D.C.? Where's Obama-Holder caring about her and her baby?

Arrest-Related Deaths, 2003-2009 - Statistical Tables

"From 2003 through 2009, a total of 4,813 deaths were reported to the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ (BJS) Arrest-Related Deaths (ARD) program."

Of these, about 6 in 10 deaths (2,931) were classified as homicide by law enforcement personnel, and 4 in 10 (1,882) were attributed to other manners of death.

Table 1 Number of reported arrest-related deaths, by manner of death, 2003-2009

Manner of death	2003-2009	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009
All manners	4,813	627	673	689	721	745	629	729
Homicide —by law enforcement	2,931	376	375	377	447	455	404	497
by other persons	27	3	4	4	2	7	3	4
Suicide	541	60	84	82	67	78	76	94
Intoxication	525	83	83	90	76	89	54	50
Accidental injury	272	53	41	47	39	35	28	29
Natural causes	244	26	46	32	34	42	33	31
Unknown	273	26	40	57	56	39	31	24

Note: Due to variation in reporting, caution should be used in comparing counts from year to year. See Methodology for information on missing data by state for each year. Counts may differ from previous publication due to additional information.

Table 5 Number of reported arrest-related deaths, by manner of death and demographic characteristics, 2003-2009

Demographic characteristics	All manners	Homicide	Suicide	Intoxication	Accident	Natural causes	Unknown
Total	4,813	2,958	541	525	272	244	273
Sex
Male	4,594	2,851	517	490	259	218	259
Female	218	107	24	35	13	26	13
Unknown	1	0	0	0	0	0	1
Race/Hispanic origin
White, non-Hispanic	2,026	1,233	327	178	95	110	83
Black, non-Hispanic	1,529	937	80	217	111	85	99
Hispanic	949	599	110	109	55	29	47
Other*	150	107	12	17	4	4	6
Unknown	159	82	12	4	7	16	38
Age
17 or younger	127	99	6	5	13	0	4
18-24	909	685	80	53	54	10	27
25-34	1,391	893	140	177	65	41	75
35-44	1,238	658	159	190	78	66	87
45-54	752	390	105	84	45	75	53
55 or older	317	188	44	11	12	52	10
Unknown	79	45	7	5	5	0	17

*Includes American Indians, Alaska Natives, Asians, Native Hawaiians, other Pacific Islanders, and persons of two or more races.

To me this shows that it is not a racial thing. It happens to all races. These figures however do not show those thought "murdered" by police. I have not yet located data for recent years. Why can't I find data for recent years? I do not know.. maybe the Dept of Just Us and Race-Grievance Industry don't want it known that whites are the most likely to die being arrested.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

It gets right down to the heart of the matter, a controversial topic that a significant portion of our population is afraid to debate..."Are we better off separate than equal?"

How about debatin' them table, Mr. Stuckey.

[Molon Labbie]

Yes, another vomitworthy hitpiece.

And yes, I believe that complete social and geograpical separation is needed.

We cannot get along. We have a culture who is almost completely dependent on the government for their bread and hearth; a government who takes it from the working who part with it very reluctantly and who will one day say “No more!”

Everyday they trot out new buzzwords like microaggression, white priviledge, and gentrification to cover their own failings with what they consider righteous indignation. I cannot think of one other culture, with the exception of muslims, who have thrown up such a smokescreen to their own inadequacies and failure to integrate.

At the finale of this drama, many cities will adopt policies that cause them to hire minorities who are substandard to be their police officers. They will become cesspools like Detroit and they will have their wish of a separate community run by people who look like them as the only criteria for competency.

[aquila48]

” We cannot get along. We have a culture who is almost completely dependent on the government for their bread and hearth; a government who takes it from the working who part with it very reluctantly and who will one day say “No more!””

I believe it goes much deeper than culture... down to physical causes - genetic. The “Bell Curve” pretty much explains everything that we see going on in the world regarding races.

It is tragic and unfortunate that it is so, but denying reality only makes matter worse.

I’m convinced that two groups of people with significantly different AVERAGE IQs, AND easily identifiable traits (skin color, or other physical appearances) cannot coexist peacefully together.

The reason is due to human nature.

[evilC]

Most likely not the article’s intent, but a good question to which the answer is yes!

America’s biggest error was not slavery; it was allowing the freed slaves to remain, thus creating a resentful under-performing minority. We compounded this error by allowing (for no good reason) massive African immigration.