Posted on 09/21/2014 9:00:19 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
A few weeks ago New York City’s St. Patrick’s Day Parade Committee (SPDC) made a cynical and politically correct decision to allow Gays to march in the parade under a banner proclaiming they are proud sodomites. No one else in the parade is allow to advertise their particular sin; there have been no demands from groups to march under a banner saying “Proud Irish burglars.” But none of this means much to the SPDC.
Those of us who have loved this parade and have fond memories of watching it and marching in it held our collective breath and waited for Cardinal Timothy Dolan the bishop of New York City’s Roman Catholic diocese to respond. Now his response is here and it is very unsatisfactory.
The Cardinal acknowledged that many of us had contacted him with our concerns. That was the last sensible thing he said. From there he takes out his hand washing bowl and absolves himself of any connection to, or responsibility for, what the SPDC does.
The Cardinal weakly argues that in spite of the Committee’s decision to allow the 253 year old parade to slip from being a Catholic Church celebration to being a secular excuse to drink green beer he sees no problem with what has happened.
He assures us that he supported the old policy of saying no to Gays wanting to march as “Gays.” Which begs the question: “So what, and?”
He talks about the Church teaching to “love the sinner and hate the sin” still being in effect. He says God loves all of us. Both of these statements are true but miss the point. In fact the Cardinal misses several points.
1) Cardinal Dolan is either sinister or naïve. Either way this is a bad thing...
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With so many homosexuals as priests in the Catholic Church who have been molesting young men it shouldn’t surprise me to see this.
I've linked my evidence. I expect, Jack, that people would take this into consideration and quit the loose accusations against Catholics --- even though I understand that people's prejudices in this regard are not evidence-based.
This is NOT about “understanding and accepting”!
This is about promoting the homosexual agenda and lifestyle.
Not only is there no obligation to support, endorse, or promote this behavior, it is WRONG to do so!
Why would any rational heterosexual man want to join a group that does not allow marriage to a woman?
By doing so it pushes away the heteros and invites the homos!
How is this any different from the Situation Ethics-based heterodoxy found in “liberal” Protestant denominations like the ELCA, American Baptists, PCUSA, or (most of) the UMC? The church needs to stand for something, rather than fall for anything.
This problem of older gay men exploiting adolescents and boys for sexual purposes has nothing inherently to do with celibacy, but I think it is strong connected to the "therapeutic culture" that invaded all our institutions, including ALL churches, especially in the 60's and 70's. "Caring" institution especially came to see such moral failures not as crimes and sins, but as manifestations of psychological difference.
Not only did church people start going strong on "understanding" and weak on internal discipline, but there were many others --- police, prosecutors, judges, educators, counselors, therapists, journalists, ordinary citizens --- who knew about these criminal offenses and did not stop them.
That's a big reason why pedophiles were (and are) drawn to professions like teacher, camp counselor, youth director, coach, clergy, etc: they know they will have lots of contact with the young, and they know that the "caring people" around them are likely to take a point of view that will look the other way and minimize their moral trespasses.
Plus, there are several reasons why the Catholic Church was singled out when many other far more deeply implicated institutions (public schools, etc.) escaped scrutiny altogether:
“If you aren’t convinced you have a celibate vocation from God, you really shouldn’t be a Catholic priest in the West.”
Within Orthodox Judaism if you want to be the rabbi of a congregation you have to be married.
There simply is no cause-and-effect relationship between celibate clergy and sexual abuse. In fact, no statistical relationship at all(LINK) , according to church insurers whose business is selling policies which cover (among other things) sex abuse liability.
dolan is far, far from naive.
i know him, he’s a wisconsin boy.
Show me the statistics between the number of rabbis sexually abusing children compared to the Catholic priests.
Glorifying homosexual acts and parading it, is a rebellious act against God. I would not participate in that parade.
Mrs. Don-o: you can add to your list acting schools for professional actors & actresses. In the 60s and 70s these schools produced more pervert teachers than anything I was exposed to as a Catholic school kid. All of these schools - through touchy/feely Method acting techniques brought out male and female predators like crazy. Paul Mann was one. In the 1980s, Spy Magazine did a story on it and I said: finally, someone has told the truth. Since then, it’s been crickets. I no longer attend and I’m now too old to be preyed upon (as is my husband) but I have nasty memories of the past...
Sexual abuse in Orthodox communities does happen a lot. It is swept under the table along with the inbreeding that occurs within that group. I doubt statistics even exist. This does not diminish the good people of that community - this stuff happens everywhere.
People who insist on portraying homosexuality or sexual abuse as a particularly Catholic thing, despite the consistent research findings to the contrary from sources like Jenkins, Charol Shakeshaft, and the John Jay Report (John Jay College of Criminal Justice of the City University of New York Historical Overview of the Problem of Sexual Abuse in the United States), cause me to seriously suspect their competence or their motivation.
It's like when they asked Willie Sutton why he robbed banks, and he said "That's where the money is." Thieves are drawn to anyplace where there's money, like pervs are drawn to anyplace where there are emotionally vulnerable young people. Secular psychology/counseling/therapy circles --- that's where I saw enough to gag a maggot.
Yup! Anywhere there are vulnerable young people you’ll find freaks. Of course, we need to bring our youth up to speed - and not helicopter over them so much! They need to be able to spot evil quickly. I learned to spot it after a few tries.
So it just becomes another homo parade? Who’s on this SPDC? How did they get there?
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In the Bloggers & Personal forum, on a thread titled Sorry Cardinal Dolan, but your explanation doesn’t make sense, Jack Hydrazine wrote:
Why would any rational heterosexual man want to join a group that does not allow marriage to a woman?
By doing so it pushes away the heteros and invites the homos!
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