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An alternate view on Ted Cruz's speech at the In Defense of Christians conference.
1 posted on 09/11/2014 12:26:24 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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Let ISIS fight with its anti-Israel, anti-American associates. Protect only Kurds and defend Israel. Our military forces should be bombing Syria and Iran then thoroughly denazifying the few survivors.


133 posted on 09/11/2014 3:19:22 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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They may have been persecuted. Note that was by the Muslims, not the Jews. They may once have been Christian. Note they aren’t Christian any more, Genesis 12:3. Suggest they get back in touch with God (and In harmony with son Jesus, the Jew).


137 posted on 09/11/2014 3:36:47 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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Ping.

[New expose’ of anti-Israel, anti-Jewish sentiment in the Middle East and West.]


139 posted on 09/11/2014 3:42:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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I'm not sure I understand why Israel is on the agenda when the topic is Christians being persecuted in the ME. What brought them into the picture before Cruz spoke?
143 posted on 09/11/2014 3:53:02 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Pyro7480; KC_Lion; All
American Evangelical chrstians are the most naive people on earth when it comes to the authentic historical chrstian faith, which is so radically different from their own that they are quite literally two completely different and opposed religions. "Chrsitan unity" will not and cannot exist because there is very little in common among the various chrstian groups--especially American-style Fundamentalist Protestants and the ancient liturgical churches (which FP's think consist solely of the Catholic Church).

Historical chrstianity made `Am Yisra'el the (Chas vechalilah!!!) "accursed people" in place of `Amaleq. The hatred the ancient churches and chrstian communities have for Jews and Israel is absolutely inconceivable to American Fundamentalists. The only "relief" in this area has occurred with the liberalism of the Second Vatican Council (Fundamentalist philo-Semitism is the only conservative christian philo-Semitism). And the ancient Middle Eastern churches are the absolute top of the heap/bottom of the pit when it comes to Jew hatred.

Middle Eastern (and Latin and Byzantine) chrstianity has always been adamantly opposed to any Jewish return to the ancient homeland. The Middle Eastern chrstians just a few years ago issued a statement stating that "Zionist chrstianity is not chrstianity at all." They despise American chrstians for supporting Israel as much as they do for interpreting the Bible literally.

When the Jews first started going back it was the chrstian Arabs, not the moslems, who opposed them the most. The ancient churches have always supported the PLO and opposed Israel (the only local exception being some Lebanese chrstians who have been allied militarily with Israel), but even Lebanon invaded Israel in '48.

American Evangelicals, these people are not "born again" chrstians as you interpret that expression. They are both anti-Israel and anti-American (and I'm not just talking about Obama's America). They don't believe J*sus will ever be a literal "king of the Jews" reigning from Jerusalem. And the notion that Zionism is a plot to bring about the reign of "antichrist" that Masonry is a hidden movement to rebuild the Jerusalem Temple and restore the Biblical polity is so ingrained among them that it's practically up there with the trinity and "incarnation."

These people are not Baptists. It is hypocritical for you to attack Roman Catholicism and then act as if the ancient Middle Eastern churches are long lost brothers.

Please understand that I am not saying that Middle Eastern chrstians deserve what's happening to them or that we shouldn't do something about it. But our policy should be based on reality--not on historical fantasy.

Pro-Israel Fundamentalist Protestants should simply avoid all Middle Eastern chrstian organizations and gatherings. Yes, help them, but don't fool yourselves into thinking you are all "brothers" because you aren't.

This is all most unpleasant, but it is true.

153 posted on 09/11/2014 4:21:07 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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This article is bovine excrement. Molly Hemingway can go to hell.


154 posted on 09/11/2014 4:23:38 PM PDT by ohioman
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We learn of a Maronite Christian seeking a liaison with Hezbollah and it sounds horrifically bad until you realize the purpose is to work together to fight ISIS, for instance.

Because uniting with the fox to guard the hen house is always such a dandy idea.

I have no idea who came up with the above idea but they are either stupid, deluded or third column. There are no other choices.

This is every bit a bright as dingy harry's bill to arm the Syrian "rebels" to fight ISIS.

160 posted on 09/11/2014 4:37:32 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Pyro7480; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

Sirhan Sirhan is a Christian.

Plenty of Christians over there have been unfortunately brainwashed to hate Jews.


162 posted on 09/11/2014 4:43:16 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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Now when Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the Ashdodites heard that the repair of the walls of Jerusalem went on, and that the breaches began to be closed, they were very angry. -Nehemiah 4:7 (NASB)

This type of spirit of Sanballat and Tobiah is here even today.

then Sanballat and Geshem sent a message to me, saying, “Come, let us meet together at Chephirim in the plain of Ono.” But they were planning to harm me.

They may sound reasonable and normal. However, they plot wickedness. They hatred toward the jewish people is irrational and a lot of times reckless and brutally violent like Haman in the book of Esther.

They have said, “Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation, That the name of Israel be remembered no more.”-Psalm 83:4 (NASB

I and my household stand with the nation of Israel. Not because they are righteous or more wonderful than others - they are flawed like the rest of us. However, the jewish people have a special place in the heart of my Lord God. How can I then but not stand with them? God still holds his part of the covenant to their forefathers, even though many of them have turned their backs on the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. My messiah is jewish, and He still loves His people.

164 posted on 09/11/2014 4:47:40 PM PDT by Moorings
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The title of this article is a POS.


173 posted on 09/11/2014 5:17:46 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Toss around some holy water, watch the vampires screech when splattered. Separates the wheat from the chaff.

Pro-Israel speech pretty much draws out the pro-communist, pro-muslim, anti-Israel evil bunch, regardless which label they happen to be hiding under.

183 posted on 09/12/2014 1:18:40 PM PDT by meadsjn
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Mollie needs to be slapped a few times.

Ted Cruz did not insult them, he simply stood up for Israel and the truth.


188 posted on 09/14/2014 5:35:14 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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. And the United States has no governmental obligation to help out the Christians who are dying in the Middle East, although it would be wonderful if we could stop doing things that lead so quickly to their persecution.

If they are genuine Christians they will love, not hate, Israel and Jews. Ted Cruz was spot on to walk out on their hypocrisy, and I praise him for having the Spirit of truth to tell the truth.

191 posted on 09/20/2014 7:58:49 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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