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1 posted on 07/30/2014 5:01:51 AM PDT by grundle
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Another idiot who doesn't understand Islam at all. There may very well be "peaceful" Muslims and I believe there are. However, they are not Muslims anymore than a pro-choice abortion supporting Catholic is a Catholic. They are not.

Islam, by its CORE TENETS, cannot allow and will not allow followers of other religions equality. Not religious equality - but equality - life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, the right to exist, etc.

It is the ONLY religion in the world that has that requirement. ISIS isn't an "extreme" part of Islam - it IS Islam. What is happening in Mosul and the rest of the Arab world isn't a "small extreme" part of Islam - it is the manifestation and full realization of Islam!!

I'm tired of everyone trying to make excuses for followers of a religion and acting like they have somehow bastardized the true religion. NO THEY HAVE NOT! This IS TRUE ISLAM! It's also why Pope Urban II initiated the Crusades - to stop Islamists from continuing to massacre and take ownership of Christians.

57 posted on 07/30/2014 6:01:52 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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Intellectually lazy.
Agnostic by choice - which is to say, I choose to be confused. I understand and respect a person who is actively pursuing truth, but has not yet recognized a trend or reached a conclusion. This person seems to take pride in his lack of clarity, with no apparent desire to find answers.

I suspect the truth is “atheist by choice”, which is more meaningful, but it is completely consistent that a person who does not recognize the moral deficiencies of Islam, would be hesitant to acknowledge his own choice to disbelieve.

One final note - Islam has some huge moral gaps, but honesty must acknowledge some points of moral clarity. However, the moral voids obscure the clarity (paradoxical statement, that) in the larger picture - making the good nothing more than window dressing for public display.


58 posted on 07/30/2014 6:04:30 AM PDT by GilesB
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You have to SEARCH for a muslim contribution to ANYTHING.

Occasionally, the odd muslim accomplishes something.

But mostly, they murder.


61 posted on 07/30/2014 6:07:56 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The GOP-e scum enlisted Democrats to steal the Republican primary. The GOP-e can go to Hell.)
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Dan certainly knows how to drive away readership.

There are things on this earth that are defensible and things that aren’t. Islime is an example of the latter. Those who attempt to defend it, besides being dispatched on a fool’s errand, risk fatal wounds to their credibility.

It is NOT a matter of individuals. It is the very nature of islime to be barbaric, totalitarian, and unthinking. It is the very antithesis of enlightenment. Anyone practicing it must either subdue their humanity or violate its teachings.


62 posted on 07/30/2014 6:08:14 AM PDT by IronJack
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Wow. Two examples.

Hu knew that the "fabric of America" consisted of two loose threads.

63 posted on 07/30/2014 6:11:01 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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How many Nobel Prize winners are Muslim, besides Yasar Arafat?


66 posted on 07/30/2014 6:12:49 AM PDT by nikos1121
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I have known and worked with Muslims (mainly software engineers from India and Pakistan) who were very decent people, and certainly did not strike me as potential murderers or terrorists. Most just wanted to live their lives. The Pakistanis in particular seemed far more interested in making money than in waging Jihad.

In a sense being born in Pakistan makes you Muslim in the same way that being Irish makes you Catholic. Because everybody else is.

That being said, if even the most conservative estimate of 25% of the world’s billion Muslims being radicalized is true, that’s a HUGE problem! And we cannot have our heads buried in the sand about it.


67 posted on 07/30/2014 6:13:22 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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First sentence in this excremental article - “I’m Jewish by birth, agnostic by choice, and I have a strong interest in Jediism and Greek Mythology.”

For those unfamiliar with the delusions common amongst Liberal American Jews(most of them if numbers still mean anything), to claim ones theological basis is a movie tells us all we need to know about this nutter's views/values.

He is making another pitiful attempt to defend the “All cultures are equal” commie party line.

Islam is evil, and Churchill described why back in 1899 as follows:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

As for this Libtard Jew's lying attempt to prove Muslims are equally productive as Americans, one need only check the number of Nobel Prizes awarded to Muslims. Mighty few, may I point out. Also four in chemistry and physics, the rest mere politically correct trash fields, as Arafat's Peace Prize illustrates.

Don't forget the fact that Muslims are vastly more numerous than Jews. Then note that Jews won vastly more Nobel Prizes than Muslims and the mental inferiority of Muslims and the total degradation of Muslim cultures becomes clear.

Churchill was right.

Nuke ‘em all, Nuke ‘em Now!

70 posted on 07/30/2014 6:22:05 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and for what Muslims do.)
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Totally idiotic!

Obama credits Muslims with "...building the very fabric of our nation and strengthening the core of our democracy.”

How does 1 architect and 1 neurosurgeon amount to "building the very fabric" or "strengthening the core?"

Even stacking up Muslim contributions on a far less grand scale than the "fabric and core," Squirrel-man, and Obama have no argument. The Sears building erected doesn't even balance out the Twin Towers destroyed - nor does one invented medical device make up for the thousand of American deaths and injuries at the hand of Muslims.

71 posted on 07/30/2014 6:22:26 AM PDT by drpix
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I’m a Disciple of Jesus Christ, and I’m pro Israel and am in favor of living in peace. But I know there will be no real peace on this earth until Jesus returns from heaven. I know there is no such thing as all religions “coexist”ing (that bumper stick makes me want to throw up every time I see one), because there is only One True Creator and not all religions acknowledge Him. In fact most all other religions are hostile to the One True Creator, and anything He has put His Name on... that would be Christians and His chosen people Israel.

But, there is only one religion out there lopping off heads, torturing and terrorizing, and I dare you to guess what religious system that is... it ain’t Christianity or Israel. Anyone who proudly calls themselves Muslim, is suspect in my mind. I will trust any Muslim as much as I would the devil to fetch me a glass of ice water on a hot day. So ya, if I meet one on the street (in America), I will exercise the same courtesy as I would anyone else, but I will never trust my back to them... you can never tell when the next Muslim is radicalized, or if he is already but pretending to want to “coexist”... hell, they’re probably the ones who came up with that stupid bumper sticker... stupid Americans.


72 posted on 07/30/2014 6:24:25 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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"The Council on Tall Buildings"


two of their tall buildings are gone
73 posted on 07/30/2014 6:25:34 AM PDT by greedo
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One of the most important principles of civilized culture is that each group which subscribes to, participates in and benefits from the broader civilization— be it religious, cultural, ethnic— cleans up its own mess before it spills over into the larger populace and causes intracivilization conflicts between subgroups.

Islam fails on that count, and hence it does not have my respect. I think it is a juvenile form of anthropomorphism dreamt up by 14 year old boys trying to figure out how to get laid. The best that can be said about it is that it got the tribes of the Arabian peninsula beyond their various forms of nativist polytheism and into monotheism, at which point you have a basis for the rule of law and the beginning of civilization.

Now let’s look at little Danny from NutChaser Hill’s religious CV: “I’m Jewish by birth, agnostic by choice, and I have a strong interest in Jediism and Greek Mythology.”

Essentially Danny is saying: I was raised monotheistic but I’m not so sure anymore, and to the degree I do entertain metaphysical thoughts I prefer “Jediism” (pantheism) and Greek Mythology (polytheism).

Actually, Danny is a parasite. The benefits to the larger society of monotheism and nontheistic rationalism are well known. Danny embraces neither of these. He’s somewhere back around 4500 years ago, released from the responsibilities that come with being an adult in the modern world.

Entire books rarely impress me, but there are chapters within books that I read and reread. The opening chapters of Camille Paglia’s *Sexual Personae* are worth reading and rereading. And when you’re done, you’ll be able to explain to little Danny from NutChaser Hill that unless he (and a whole lot of other people) get their fecal matter together, Islam is Apollo cleaning up the mess he and his friend Dionysus left after the party.


74 posted on 07/30/2014 6:36:08 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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I’m ok if someone wants to be muslim - but why do they NEVER speak out against muslim extremism and terrorists? This inability to criticize their own either means they are cowards or agree with the terrorism or both.


75 posted on 07/30/2014 6:43:49 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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And I want to ask what kind of world this would be if their prophet had never existed???

Just think, century after century of peace and literally millions and millions of people the world over that would not have been slaughtered like goats.


79 posted on 07/30/2014 7:06:57 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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And I want to ask what kind of world this would be if their prophet had never existed???

Just think, century after century of peace and literally millions and millions of people the world over that would not have been slaughtered like goats.


80 posted on 07/30/2014 7:08:17 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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If these people were so enlightened they’d get the hell out of islam.


81 posted on 07/30/2014 7:09:51 AM PDT by onedoug
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I’m Jewish by birth, agnostic by choice, and I have a strong interest in Jediism and Greek Mythology.

This statement gives lie to his claim, he is not Jewish! At best he could be classified as a new age moron. And personal opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one but that doesn't mean they are valid.

82 posted on 07/30/2014 7:13:43 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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You need to rethink your birth right, or maybe change your name to Esau.
You may be an agnostic in this life but I promise you won’t be one in the next.


83 posted on 07/30/2014 7:14:44 AM PDT by Ramonne
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And finally From Audacity of Hope: by Barak Hussein Obama

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

BRASS = Breathe, Release, Aim, Sight, Squeeze .

Koran 8:12 “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. This is because they acted adversely to Allah and his messenger”

Koran 9:5 “When the sacred months are past, kill those who join other gods wherever you find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush…..”

Koran 9:29-30 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah…. The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, and the Christians say Christ is the son of God…. Allah’s curse be on them….”

Koran 9:3 “Announce painful punishment on those who disbelieve..”

Koran 8:55 “Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve…”

Koran 8:39 “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah”

Koran 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah… nor follow the religion of truth…out of those who have been given the book (Christians and Jews) until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and are in a state of subjugation”

Koran 9:123 “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil)”

Koran 5:49-51 “O you who believe Take not the Jews and Christians as your friends… and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, surely he is one of them..”

Koran 5:33-34 “The punishment of those who pit themselves against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, except those who repent before you have them in your power..” .

A Short Course on Shariah & the Muslim Brotherhood

1. What Is Shariah?

2. How Does Shariah Define Jihad?

3. ‘Civilization Jihad’ – the Muslim Brotherhood’s Potent Weapon

4. True Lies – the Paradox of Debating Shariah

5. Taqiyya – A Concept of Deceit that Security Professionals Must Know

6. Slander – How it is Used and Abused Under Shariah

7. How Shariah ‘Blasphemy’ Laws are Being Imposed On Us

8. What is the Muslim Brotherhood and How Does it Operate?

9. Genesis of the Muslim Brotherhood

10. Movement of the Muslim Brotherhood into the West

11. The Muslim Brotherhood’s Westward Infiltration

12. The Muslim Brotherhood in America

13. The Holy Land Trial: On the Trail of the Muslim Brotherhood

14. The Muslim Brotherhood’s ‘Strategic Plan’

15. Penetration of the US Government: A Case Study

16. Mapping the Muslim Brotherhood in America

17. Who’s Who in the American Muslim Brotherhood .

“American Muslim Taskforce” (AMT). This is how the AMT describes itself:

AMT is an umbrella organization that includes American Muslim Alliance (AMA), American Muslims for Palestine (AMP), Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Muslim Alliance in North America (MANA), Muslim American Society-Freedom (MAS-F), Muslim Legal Fund of America (MLFA), Muslim Ummah of North America (MUNA), National Association of Imams (NAIF) and United Muslims of America (UMA).

Meanwhile, the Koran says this, dhimmi:
“Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”... Koran 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12

In 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim male.
In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, terrorists attacked the Israeli athlete’s dorms. In all, eleven Israeli athletes were massacred by Muslim male terrorists.
In 1972 Pan Am 747 was hijacked and eventually diverted to Cairo where a fuse was lit on final approach and it was blown up shortly after landing by Muslim males.
In 1973 Pan Am 707 was destroyed in Rome , with 33 people killed, when it was attacked with grenades by Muslim males.
In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim males
In the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped and murdered in Lebanon by Muslim males.
In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up, killing 241 Americans, and it was done by Muslim males.
In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim males.
In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim males.
In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed over Scotland, killing 259 on board and 11 on the ground. This act of terror was planned and carried out by Muslim males.
In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed for the first time, killing 6 and injuring over 1,000...by Muslim males.
In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim males.
In 2011, on 911, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as weapons to crash into and take down the World Trade Centers Towers. Another was used to attack and crash into the Pentagon. The third was in the process of being re-claimed by the passengers when the terrorists flew it into the ground. Thousands of people were killed that day, all of them by Muslim males.
In 2002-2012, the United States fights a war in Afghanistan against Muslim males.
In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and beheaded by...yes, Muslim males.
In July, 2002 a shooting at LAX international Airport killed two people and injured five others. It was committed by a Muslim Male, Hesham Mohamed Hadayet.
In October 2002, beltway snipers killed 17 and wounded five. The shooters? Yes, more Muslim males, John Mohammed and Malik Malvo
In 2003-2009, the US fights a war in Iraq to topple a tyrannical regime and defeat a fundamentalist Islamic/Al Quida insurgency, made up of Muslim males.
In March, 2003, on the eve of battle for Iraq, a grenade attack was conducted on the US HQ killing two officers and wounding 14 others. A Muslim male, Sgt. Hasan Akbar, conducted the attack.
In March, 2006, a rampaging SUV at Chapel Hill, NC, on the Univ. Campus injured nine. Miraculously no one was killed. Who did it? Mohammed Taheri-azar, a muslim male
In August, 2006, in San Francisco, another SUV rampage kills one and injures nineteen. The perp? A musilm male named Omid Azeez Popal.
In February, 2007, a shooter kills four and wounds five at the Trolley Square Mall in Salt Lake City. The shooter? Sulejman Talovic, another Muslim male.
In October, 2007, an attack on Homestead Air Force Base in Florida was stopped at the front gate by military police. The would be terrorist was Tahmeed Ahmad, another Muslim male.
In November, 2008, Jewish students on the University of Berkley campus were singled out for killing by a Muslim male, Husam Zakharia, who beat two students to death with his fists.
In June 2009, a military recruiting station in Little Rock, AR was attacked by a shooter with an assault rifle. One solider was killed an another injured by Abdulhakim Muhammad, a Muslim male.
On November 5, 2009, a U.S. Army officer went on a shooting rampage against other soldiers, killing 29 and wounding 13. Major Nidal Hasan, a Muslim male, who was under investigation for his own ties to Al Quida operatives, conducted the attack shouting, “Allah Akbar!”.

BRASS = Breathe, Release, Aim, Sight, Squeeze . Here is something educated and uneducated Americans should consider, the Muslim Brotherhood’s ahead of schedule agenda discovered in 1991:

Islamic invasion of America: The 20 Point Plan

This sums up the Muslim Brotherfood project in America quite succinctly. On November 7, 2001 international law enforcement authorities and Western intelligence agencies discovered a twenty-year old document revealing a top-secret plan developed by the oldest Islamist organization with one of the most extensive terror networks in the world to launch a program of “cultural invasion” and eventual conquest of the West that virtually mirrors the tactics used by Islamists for more than two decades.

Since that time information about this document, known in counterterrorism circles as “The Project”, and discussion regarding its content has been limited to the top-secret world of Western intelligence communities. Only through the work of an intrepid Swiss journalist, Sylvain Besson of Le Temps, and his book published in October 2005 in France, La conquête de l’Occident: Le projet secret des Islamistes (The Conquest of the West: The Islamists’ Secret Project), has information regarding The Project finally been made public. One Western official cited by Besson has described The Project as “a totalitarian ideology of infiltration which represents, in the end, the greatest danger for European societies.”

[...]

Included in the documents seized during the raid of Nada’s Swiss villa was a 14-page plan written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982, which outlines a 12-point strategy to “establish an Islamic government on earth” – identified as The Project. According to testimony given to Swiss authorities by Nada, the unsigned document was prepared by “Islamic researchers” associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.

If you want to read more of the Muslim Brotherhood project go here.

U.S. Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine countryWND
A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam’s 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020

Anis Shorrosh, author of ‘’Islam Revealed’’ and ‘’The True Furqan,’’ is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.

‘’The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,’’ Shorrosh says. ‘’Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?’’

1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ‘’Abed.’’

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corportations or a controlling stock.(This is already happening with Major media stations.)

6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell ‘’foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran’’ anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims a medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical l companies (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

* Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961).

* Use no birth control whatsoever – every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.

* Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years – since one can’t legally marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.

* Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2,000 released inmates have joined al-Qaida worldwide). Only a few ‘’sleeper cells’’ have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil.

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America’s high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ‘’Centers for Islamic studies’’ with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America’s sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America’s justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America’s campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

AND, unnoticed like Bin Laden’s declaration of war on the US in 1996, the MB has declared war on the US in the last few weeks...Rubin’s article on the matter:

85 posted on 07/30/2014 7:58:14 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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I guess that by this logic, we should not bash Nazis either. Or the Khmer Rouge. I guess that you can find some good-hearted motivations within any group, and therefor would never be able to distinguish between good and bad, better or worse .

Just because Nazi ideology advocated killing Jews (like the quran does), this “logic” would see no reason to associate anything negative to those who choose to become Nazis.

In my opinion, Muhammad simply co-opted many long popular religious practices, and hitched them to his personal drive for totalitarian power, as so many cult leaders have before or since. So yes, there are parts of islam that are endearing or uplifting - but those parts pre-date islam. What Muhammad brought that was new is fundamentally flawed, famously summed up as Lechery, Treachery, and Butchery.

Ultimately in Islam, there is no objective morality, except for the interest of the gang and its leader. Anything is considered moral, if it is in the interest of the propagation of the power of the gang and its leader - murder, slavery, rape, incest, extortion, robbery, genocide, whatever. The only thing that is considered unequivocally immoral in Islam is questioning, or resisting the absolute dictatorship of the gang or its leader.

Nazis had cute babies and sweet little grandmas, and they had human feelings like anyone else, but their ideology was fundamentally flawed and destructive. So is islam - rotten from its founding. It is not a religion like others - it was a highjacking of religion for immoral political purposes.


86 posted on 07/30/2014 7:58:23 AM PDT by BeauBo
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