Obama class picture. Obama is fourth row down, fourth across.
Posted on 03/10/2014 12:34:29 PM PDT by servo1969
The most anti-Israel President in US History We were warned.
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BUT THIS IS STUNNING–
A top Obama official this weekend told the Palestinian Al-Quds newspaper that there is no need for Palestinians to recognize Israel. Israel National News reported:
The United States believes there is no need for the Palestinian Authority (PA) to recognize Israel as a Jewish state as part of a peace agreement, State Department Spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Saturday.Psaki, who spoke to the PA-based Arabic-language Al-Qudsnewspaper, said, “The American position is clear, Israel is a Jewish state. However, we do not see a need that both sides recognize this position as part of the final agreement.”
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has been adamant on the PA recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, explaining that the Arabs’ refusal to recognize Israel stands at the heart of the conflict.
The PA has already formally refused to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, stating that “the Arab states will never recognize a Jewish state.” PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas reiterated this position on Friday, when he told young members of his Fatah movement that “there is no way” he would recognize Israel.
« “Recognize Israel as a jewish state” != “Recognize Israel” »
Actually, it is, as far as Israel cares.
As reported elsewhere .... they do not need to recognize Israel as the JEWISH STATE.
Not great ... but not as dire as you're making out to be.
Who is surprised by this?
It is every bit as dire, in fact, more dire than is supposed. The extermination of Jewry is bedrock religious conviction for Muslims. It is that dire.
Please ... come in off the ledge.
Jordan and Egypt signed treaties with the "State of Israel" ... and recognizing the "State of Israel" has always been on the table vis-à-vis the Israeli-Pali negotiations.
This change to the "Jewish State of Israel" was thrown in by Bibi as a semi-hail Mary pass (to slow down the talks) late in this game.
When this change was first thrown out there by Bibi---Peres ran to any microphone he could find to say recognition of the "Jewish" state is not required for peace.
Hopefully this this demand doesn't backfire on the Bibi administration and Israel.
Maybe Obama’s right. The PA would be lying anyway, if they recognized Israel. The will continue to rain missiles on Israeli civilians, regardless whether they recognize Israel or not. So what does a formal recognition accomplish, except that formal recognition would be traded for Israeli concessions that actually mean something?
Put another way, a promise from known liars and known renegers doesn’t mean much.
This was predictable. Anybody who didn’t see that this guy hates Jews is blind.
This is remarkable, considering the following...
"Below is the Palestinian National Covenant, the official charter of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). The text is the English version published officially by the PLO, unabridged and unedited.
Note, however, that the PLO's translation sometimes deviates from the original Arabic so as to be more palatable to Western readers. For example, in Article 15, the Arabic is translated as "the elimination of Zionism," whereas the correct translation is "the liquidation of the Zionist presence." "The Zionist presence" is a common Arabic euphemism for the State of Israel, so this clause in fact calls for the destruction of Israel, not just the end of Zionism.
Where subtleties in the original Arabic are important, the Arabic word has been inserted in parentheses."
Text of the Palestinian Charter
And then there's this...
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."
PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977
“Ledge?” More like a plain with unlimited horizon. Anything that keeps this 2 state nonsense at bay is a plus for Israel.
What monumentally ignorant statements.
Of course it's dire. Beyond dire.
Every neighboring muslim country is self defined AS A MUSLIM COUNTRY. Are they all also willing to eliminate that trivial, unnecessary part of their own 'identity?'
"Arab nationalism represented both a revival of old traditions and loyalties and a creation of new myths based on them, an invention of tradition... Thus, as Arab nationalism took hold, what had been described for thirteen centuries as the glories of Islamic civilization came to be called the glories of Arab civilization;
It's not rocket science to see through the muslim doubletalk.
Honestly, I see this demand as a strategy... a tactic.
Globally the negotiations were not going well for Israel. Add to this the discord in the Israeli government. Bibi's having a hard time bringing them together around ANY deal. He has to slow down or end the negotiations.
My fear is that what will truly be "dire" ... is that between the settlements and this Israel is now primed to take the fall for failure in the negotiations.
That won't be helpful.
It takes two parties to make an agreement, but when one won't even recognize the others right to exist, the outcome is inevitable. How do you enforce an agreement under these circumstances. The treaty would mean nothing.
There will be an agreement, forced upon Israel by those who “guarantee her safety”, while all the time knowing that when the fecal matter hits the fan, they will do nothing.
All we have to do is look at how our own country lives up to its “guarantee of safety” for the Ukraine. The Ukraine agreed to give up nuclear weapons obtained when the USSR broke up. This disarmament agreement came as a result of a promise of safety by both the US and Russia. The US signed the agreement guaranteeing their safety. The Crimea situation screams to high heaven that promises, even given in good faith, are empty, when those who sympathize with your enemies or fear your enemies, obtain power.
If the Ukraine, like Hungary in 1956 stands up against Russian oppression, will the US do, as it did then? As e.e. cumming stated in his poem,Thanksgiving 1956,”be quiet little hungary and do as you are bid a good kind bear is angry we fear for the quo pro quid” uncle sam shrugs his pretty pink shoulders you know how and he twitches a liberal titty and lisps “i’m busy right now”. Is this what we are facing?
Will we live up to the promise given to the Ukraine. Will we live up to the promise given in the blood of our sons and daughters to defend those in Iraq and Afghanistan, who don't want Sharia Law? So why should Israel believe us, when we say one thing, but do another.
Whatever agreement is forced on Israel will lead to its enemies emboldening themselves for an eventual invasion of Israel. Those who promise will renege, and the whole world will be in an uproar, because Israel will not bow to Arab demands, and give up her right to exist.
The world as a whole doesn't condemn Ha mas, Hezbollah, Iran or any other Muslim group for spewing hatred and attempting to destroy Israel. They don't even question the firing of rockets at civilians in Israel. The world just wants Israel to give in to the Muslims and vacate the West Bank, as if this act will bring about “peace”. All this will do is give the Arabs another based or platform from which to attack.
The Jews are always blamed for the world's troubles, as if by just existing, they cause evil to arise. Evil will always attack Jews, and when it can't prevail, will turn on Christians, as Revelations 12:17 states. Arabs were persecuting and killing Jews before there as a restored nation of Israel, and they will continue, because the existence of Jews proves that the Bible is true and G_d’s word.
Notice that the “Arab states” will never recognize a “Jewish state”. The word “Arab” denotes someone with an ancestry of the Arabian Peninsula. The Arabs invaded all other areas outside of the Arab peninsula where they now live.This was with the intent of conquering the world in the name of their god. The also claim whatever they conquered in the past still belongs to them(Spain, Greece, India, Israel etc.) Remember the Arabs at one time invaded Rome itself. That's the reason the walls around the Vatican were built.
The tribe of Judah has returned to the Promised Land, it along with a scattering of other tribes descendants, lives in the area originally occupied by the ten Northern Tribes(Israel). Judah and Samaria, know now as the West Bank, was the area their ancestors lived in before they were forcible removed by Rome.
Their homeland is occupied by Arabs, very few of which had ancestors who lived there in the 18th and 19th centuries. Most are sons, daughters, grandsons, and granddaughters of Arabs who came into the area, when Jews moved back to a desolate land and started to make it bloom again. Just read Innocents Abroad, by Mark Twain, for a description of Israel in the 19th century, before the Jews started returning to their land.
These Arabs have taken a name from Roman history, that was meant to insult the Jews and used it against Israel. The Romans renamed Israel Palestine(land of the Philistines), and forced the Jews into slavery and exile. These Arabs now call themselves Palestinians. This was a blatant attempt after the 67 war, to make themselves seem small and oppressed, rather than part of a larger Arab entity, hundreds of millions strong.
Funny, but I believe that I have read that the forces used to destroy Jerusalem in 70 AD were made up not just Romans, but,non-Jews from the surrounding area(Syria, Egypt,etc.). Will history repeat itself?
The hatred continues, the Arabs remain intransigent, Arabs have learned that the world fears the anger of Muslims, and the West keeps trying to appease the Muslims because of their economic power (oil resources).
The center of the Sunni Muslim power is in Saudi Arabia,which because of their oil reserves, demands that the West bow to their wishes, or suffer the consequences. Remember the Oil Embargo of the middle 70’s.
Today, cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones, pearls, fine linen, purple, silk, and scarlet.....cattle and sheep, horses and carriages, and human beings sold as slaves flow into Mecca. Note that slaves flow into Mecca. Sounds like economic Babylon described in the Bible.
The Shia in Iran (those who believe in the return of the twelfth imam) believe they are Gog and Magog mentioned in the Bible, but because they believe the Bible has been changed, and is now a lie, they claim that they are “Gog and Magog” and will be victorious, and will bring about a great war so that Islam will rule the world.
The Dead Sea scrolls, discovered by a Muslim, proves the Bible has not changed. The Jewish artifacts on the Temple Mount prove the existence of the first and second Temples, and expose the Muslim lie that Jews never lived in Jerusalem. Even the Koran states that Israel belongs to the Jews.
So the hatred is so intense that modern Muslims will not believe their own book,that Israel belongs to the Jews. There are some imams that preach this, but the majority are so full of hatred that they now claim they are of Philistine descent, and so rightfully own Israel. For Satan is the father of lies. They worship the god of fortress, of strength, of hatred. They believe and state that they can lie to, cheat, steal, and destroy all who oppose their will. So evil has raised its head once more, and to appease evil good men will do nothing. We need to support Israel, believe G_d's word, and insist our leaders not bow to expediency, the socialist rich, the mob, or another god, that YAHWEH.
Just a quick check of a few of the 57 member states and terrorist organizations of the international Islamic Conference ...
shows national constitutional or legal/dictator proclamations to give reason to say that...
They are almost all self-defined as Islamic countries.
Most add that all law is governed or guided by their Koran and no law may contradict same.
These include...
Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qutar, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Libya, Iran...etc etc ..etc.
(Syria is officially not an Islamic state but of course you know that Obama and the Saudis are trying to overthrow that country’s government right now,.... and we all see the news reports showing their fighters driving out the local Christians ...or simply eating them for supper...)
Obama class picture. Obama is fourth row down, fourth across.
Quid pro quo, Clarice. If the Paleos do not have to recognize Israel, than Israel is under no obligation to recognize any territory or state as Palestinian.
It’s basic diplomacy. Mutual recognition must exist before there can be diplomatic exchange. And diplomatic exchange must exist before agreements can be reached.
In practice, this represents an ultimatum. Either the Paleos recognize Israel, or Israel must discontinue recognizing any Paleo legitimacy.
What's at issue here is not recognizing Israel, something that apparently already happened.
It's recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, something that neither Egypt nor Jordan was required to do to make peace.
Indeed, it's not entirely clear whether the US recognizes Israel as a Jewish (or the Jewish) state.
Israel has offered a one state solution in which so-called Palestinians become citizens of Israel. How is this a requirement that Israel insists it be recognized as a Jewish state? This is just more double talk by deceivers and their useful idiots.
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