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Who Will Stop Putin's Aggression
3/9/2014 | Digest

Posted on 03/09/2014 12:24:55 PM PDT by annalex

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To: RedwM
Insertion of troops on the territory of a sovereign nation in absence of invitation to do so from the legitimate government of that nation is, by definition, a hostile act. Further, the military personnel was blocked in their bases by force, communication facilities were damaged or destroyed, a naval vessel was blocked, - all these are not merely a military invasion but aggression.

Presence of legitimate interests on the territory of another nation does not create an excuse for insertion of troops in this manner. Purely peacemaking force insertion might be justified in case of a humanitarian crisis, but not such crisis exists. Typically, the UN or some other international body authorizes a peacekeeping operation.

Absence of national insignia, by the way, is also contrary to all norms of war; these "green men" cannot be afforded the protection of the Geneva convention. They are already war criminals simply for not identifying themselves.

41 posted on 03/09/2014 2:03:47 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: varmintman

LOL. The UFOs said so?

I welcomed Putin’s diplomacy on Syria. It is not possible to run a large country for twelve years and not do something good. The growing economy in the RF is, however, simply a function of growing oil prices.


42 posted on 03/09/2014 2:06:42 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

I would have thought that a monarchy/paleo list would support the restoration of the four empires in Europe, whose dissolution by American-UK-French progressives in 1919 has brought 95 years of bloodshed.


43 posted on 03/09/2014 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: annalex

I think Putin is only interested in keeping the commerce moving. The UN...hah. The Geneva Convention...ptooie. The whole thing is a joke.


44 posted on 03/09/2014 2:15:21 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: annalex
Better formatted version:

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html#more

45 posted on 03/09/2014 2:21:05 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: annalex

If we are to look for historical parallels, instead of the Sudetenland, one might consider the Nazi/Soviet non-aggression pact resulting in the partition of Poland. Clearly, the West has lost its claim to any moral leadership; the West acts in the interests of the global elite. Putin acts in his own interests and the Russian oligarchs. The people of Ukraine are just a morsel to be divided up by the EU and Russia.
The US is economically weak; we are a paper tiger. All that we can hope for is to get our domestic house in order by ridding ourselves of the commie Dems and feckless GOPe. For the US, Ukraine is a diversion with no upside for the American people.


46 posted on 03/09/2014 2:36:24 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Tucker39

Why would Putin even want to invade Israel? The Jews aren’t the ones bombing Russian transportation systems or killing Russian schoolchildren. And Israel doesn’t have any natural resources that Russia lacks and wants to plunder. So how would an invasion of Israel benefit Russia in any way?


47 posted on 03/09/2014 2:41:55 PM PDT by istandwithsarah (Game on!)
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To: Jim Noble

I don’t think the goal is restoration of the empires that, one way or another, dissolved a long time ago. I would obviously prefer the world order where countries big and small gravitate in some reasonable patterns to imperial nations; but it cannot be the exact same world as in 1914. Russia, for example, suffered near 100 years of Soviet artificial selection, with the resulting loss of national identity, sense of national purpose, and, importantly to the topic on hand, loss of the ability to attract other nations to its imperial sphere. The Ukrainian nation, on the other hand, — a mere fantastical project 100 years ago, — has now been born and has shown an ability to seek its own spot in the community of nations. We see how both Poland and Ukraine, bitter enemies 50 years ago now have found mutual respect and are in the process of forming a political and economic block to the Germany’s East. That would not have been possible even a short while ago. Nations evolve.

The best for both peoples, the Russian people and the Ukrainian people is to live independently and in peace. The national project for Russia should be a complete repudiation of its Soviet past, and acceptance of its loss of the Cold War, so that it becomes a trade partner rather than a constant expansionist threat. The imperial ambition of the Russian Federation today is a dangerous anachronism, which, moreover, goes back not to the Russian Empire but to the worse instincts of the USSR. It might work for the RF in Asia, but then it would not be int he national interest of the Russian people who — what’s left of them, — culturally belong to Europe.


48 posted on 03/09/2014 2:43:12 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
"Everybody...I got this...MI-CHELLLLLE!"


49 posted on 03/09/2014 2:43:40 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: RedwM

If so he has a funny way of showing it.


50 posted on 03/09/2014 2:44:23 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: allendale

Although over the longer haul you are historically correct Putin’s
actions to this point are similar to those of Hitler in that both of
them claim their incursions were to protect ethnics of their
respective nations. And if that is what Hillary meant then although
I despise her I will grant her that minor point.


51 posted on 03/09/2014 2:47:48 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: grumpygresh
First, we are talking of two different things. RF's aggression in Crimea ostensibly to protect the ethnic Russians is a direct analogy of the Third Reich moving in Sudetenland to protect ethnic Germans; the difference being that in Crimea no victims of Ukrainian nationalism have been found so far.

That Ukraine might be partitioned into a Western part and an Eastern part is true, but the analogy with Poland and Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is not there: EU is not occupying Western Poland in 2014, and Poland did not ask to join the Third Reich in 1939.

52 posted on 03/09/2014 2:51:01 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

If you were a Ukrainian, would you have any doubt about who runs the Crimea.


53 posted on 03/09/2014 2:53:34 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: RedwM

Autonomous governing body(a regional parliament, I believe) has been running Crimea under the Ukrainian constitution, prior to Putin’s invasion. I don’t need to be Ukrainian to know that.


54 posted on 03/09/2014 2:56:29 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Now, if Putin were Stalin, I would share your concerns. I think the whole thing has been over-sensationalized by our “media” to make Obama look like a great statesman and protector of freedom and Kerry a great diplomat. I wish they would had held him for ransom when he went to Kiev.


55 posted on 03/09/2014 3:06:46 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: annalex

The Ukraine will essentially lose sovereignty if it joins the EU. Its economy will be “managed” by the European CB. I am well acquainted with WW2 history, and I am only offering a parallel.
The real problem is that the world is on the march to global government and the major players are consolidating their gains. The Ukraine is just another chess piece to be taken.


56 posted on 03/09/2014 3:28:14 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: RedwM
I see no agression, other than Putin protecting Russia’s interests in Crimea.

Yep. And it's not our concern.

57 posted on 03/09/2014 3:39:46 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: annalex

That wasn’t for you, Anna. It was for the lurkers who can’t quite grasp it.


58 posted on 03/09/2014 5:44:45 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Well okay. I can’t spell. But I’ve got good eye site...I mean I site...I mean eyesight?


59 posted on 03/09/2014 5:46:31 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: annalex

Who will stop Obama’s aggression against the United States?


60 posted on 03/09/2014 6:22:16 PM PDT by stevem
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