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To: roamer_1; af_vet_1981; boatbums; metmom
>>Thus the 'words written in red' have to have precedence.<<

That’s an obvious blatant denial of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in what the apostles wrote.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Trying to reduce what the Holy Spirit inspired the authors of scripture to write is denying the words of the Holy Spirit putting them in less regard. The truth is that ALL of scripture is the words of Jesus through the Holy Spirit.

To be consistent you would have to reduce the writings of the Old Testament in their entirety and give them less credibility. If you believe that what the authors of scripture wrote are not ALL the words of Jesus then you are left with nothing but the words of man.

671 posted on 03/07/2014 5:24:50 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; Errant; metmom; boatbums
To be consistent you would have to reduce the writings of the Old Testament in their entirety and give them less credibility.

Jesus already validated the Septuagint Canon by using it and sayin For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whether there were Scriptures in Hebrew and Aramaic does not profit you if you cast away the received Hebrew and Greek text we do have. If you exclude the Holy Spirit from preserving the Canon we will see another new sect, cult, heresy, or re-formed religion. Yeshua said this to the Jewish Apostles who discipled others to build Yeshua's ecclesia

Regarding many of the debate comments :


702 posted on 03/07/2014 9:00:24 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: CynicalBear; af_vet_1981; boatbums; metmom
[roamer_1:] Thus the 'words written in red' have to have precedence.

That’s an obvious blatant denial of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in what the apostles wrote.

No, it's an obvious blatant denial of the way you interpret the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in what the apostles wrote.

The truth is that ALL of scripture is the words of Jesus through the Holy Spirit.

Absolutely! Now you get it - But then how can it be contradictory? And if it seems contradictory, where does the precedence lie, in the new thing or the older thing?

To be consistent you would have to reduce the writings of the Old Testament in their entirety and give them less credibility.

No, actually I put the most emphasis upon Torah, because structurally, what was said first CANNOT be changed.

If you believe that what the authors of scripture wrote are not ALL the words of Jesus then you are left with nothing but the words of man.

Right. But Yeshua is YHWH and YHWH does not change. Nor do His words return to him empty. Thus that which was said first must be preserved. Likewise in the Brit Hadasha - Structurally the Gospels govern the rest... And Torah necessarily governs the Gospels.

I don't reject Paul. I just know that Paul cannot contradict what his master said - THEREFORE, when I read Paul, I interpret him through Yeshua's words, and through the Torah. The things which are unchangeable cannot be changed.

719 posted on 03/07/2014 12:10:41 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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