To: af_vet_1981
The Apostles already decided what portion of the law of Moses applied to the Gentiles who are disciples of Messiah.I don't think you are right, but you would need to understand the strictures of 'discipleship' in the Hebrew sense.
One of the singularly most important things that Yeshua did was to redirect the authority of Moses back to Moses himself - The authority claimed by the 'disciples' of Moses was not theirs. Thus all the sects, disciplines, pronouncements, everything used to change the words of Moses, the entire tradition of the Jews, the basis of Rabbinical authority, was instantly nullified.
He told his followers not to do as the Pharisees said, but to do what Moses said.
Does it make sense then that he would endorse his own disciples to change his own words? No. If you are a disciple of Yeshua, you are a disciple of Yeshua. Not Paul, John, or James, or any other.
Thus the 'words written in red' have to have precedence. And that severely limits how one can interpret his disciples.
581 posted on
03/06/2014 12:35:57 PM PST by
roamer_1
(Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
To: roamer_1
Does it make sense then that he would endorse his own disciples to change his own words? No. If you are a disciple of Yeshua, you are a disciple of Yeshua. Not Paul, John, or James, or any other. Are you claiming to understand Yeshua's will better than Peter, James, and John ? Are are going to disregard their words, which were given by the Holy Spirit?
- Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
- And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
- Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
- It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
- Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
- We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
- For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
- That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
639 posted on
03/06/2014 7:41:10 PM PST by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
To: roamer_1
I don't think you are right, but you would need to understand the strictures of 'discipleship' in the Hebrew sense. Bo tasbir li.
641 posted on
03/06/2014 7:58:21 PM PST by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
To: roamer_1; af_vet_1981; boatbums; metmom
>>Thus the 'words written in red' have to have precedence.<<
Thats an obvious blatant denial of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in what the apostles wrote.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Trying to reduce what the Holy Spirit inspired the authors of scripture to write is denying the words of the Holy Spirit putting them in less regard. The truth is that ALL of scripture is the words of Jesus through the Holy Spirit.
To be consistent you would have to reduce the writings of the Old Testament in their entirety and give them less credibility. If you believe that what the authors of scripture wrote are not ALL the words of Jesus then you are left with nothing but the words of man.
671 posted on
03/07/2014 5:24:50 AM PST by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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