You really are a bum for posting ANYTHING for this idiot, lol:
The true story of James Lloyd doing business as Christian Media Network
Posted on 03/02/2014 3:59:10 PM PST by Errant
As the book of the Revelation comes to a close, we are left with some very important words. Keep his commandments, know his Torah, and make yourself ready to be the bride of the King. He is coming quickly. Join Michael Rood for the final episode in the series From Here to Eternity – Yeshua’s Famous Last Words: Amen, Emet, Truth.
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Bo tasbir li.
It’s official...You need to post on these threads more often. Excellent expository.
I was simply saying that sometimes there is a difference of opinion. I completely agree that either through action or inaction, we don’t want to cause stumbling blocks to be laid.
And, probably more important than that, why can't you admit that God is capable of illuminating His truths to ANYONE no matter what language they speak? Does a Swahili speaker lose out because he never heard the gospel in Hebrew? Take a breather, ES, you are hyperventilating!
Since there is zero empirical evidence of this Hebrew-original NT, it can have no reason for being.
Excellent points!
Uhhh, maybe because you don't speak the truth???
http://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3128823/posts?page=534#534
Just sayin'...
Since Yeshua spoke Hebrew and all of the Apostles spoke Hebrew, how is it that you and others here believe that suddenly their accounts appeared on paper in the Greek language with no possible intermediary in written Hebrew? Now there is a miracle never recorded! I’d say it ranks write up there with the writing on the wall. What you are claiming defies all logic, and indeed the opinion of most published Bible scholars.
[etc.]
There is a superb essay in the first volume of the Expositor's Bible Commentary on this very subject: arguing that the political/demographic/cultural conditions of the time of Christ were just right for the coming of the Messiah and the spread of his gospel. Among the two examples cited: the Roman road system, which enabled rapid (for the day) travel between population centres; and the use of koine Greek as the lingua franca of the Empire, enabling nearly any of Caesar's subjects to hear and understand the Gospel.
Unfortunately, I don't have my book handy, and I can't tell from a table of contents listing which essay it was. I believe it is "Between the Testaments," by Harold Hoehner, but I'm not 100% certain of that.
Christianity was meant from the beginning to spread throughout the world. It would have made little sense for its chief documents to have been written either in Aramaic (the regional language of Palestine) nor Hebrew (which was basically limited to the synagogue). Certainly not when Alexander the Great had taken the trouble to unite the entire known world under the Greek banner!
Give this "solid" evidence you claim exists. Provide more than some non-Christian's imaginings spread out over a video you have to watch instead of being able to just read what he claims to provide. Post his links to scholarly works he wrote or those upon which he relied. You should know by now that you can't expect someone to invest time in watching a video and a little more effort on your part would go a long way.
So, yes, it WAS a miracle!
Are you implying that Jesus and all of the Apostles spoke exclusively Hebrew?
Paul, for example, was a free-born Roman citizen of Tarsus, the capital of the province of Cilicia in Asia Minor, and as Paul himself says, no small city. We know for a fact that he spoke Greek (Acts 21:37) and Aramaic (v. 40) in addition to Hebrew.
how is it that you and others here believe that suddenly their accounts appeared on paper in the Greek language with no possible intermediary in written Hebrew
Unless you assume that Jesus and all the apostles were unilingual and writing to an exclusively Hebrew-speaking audience, then there is no mystery about the appearance of a Greek NT. Since at least two of the NT authors were educated men (Luke, a physician, and Paul, a rabbi) and it is not beyond the pale that the remainder were also bilingual or even trilingual, I reject your assumption.
Also, who said anything about "suddenly"?
What you are claiming defies all logic
Only if you assume (I don't) that your assumption is the only logical option, which clearly it isn't.
Thanks for that. I have read several articles that expound upon this. All things are in God’s timing. Amen!
(I)t needs to be said there is a mountain of scholarship showing Matthean authorship of the Greek manuscript we call the book of Matthew. Indeed, the Grecian book of Matthew shows unmistakable internal evidence of its authenticity by the disciple of Jesus.
In an attempt to make the scholarly data more accessible, we note the fact there are numerous statements within the Greek text itself where the narrative tells us the meaning of a Hebrew term. If the writing originated in Hebrew, an ongoing occasional translation would not be necessary. In other words, if Matthew (or the larger body of the New Testament) originated in Aramaic or Hebrew, it would be unnecessary to tell the reader what a particular Hebrew word or phrase means.
It is only because the writing did originate in Greek that an occasional explanation is needed, and such interpretive statements are provided in the Scripture itself. Thus, we see several examples of these ongoing translation notes. For instance, in Matthew's first chapter, the disciple cites the prophecy from Isaiah concerning how a virgin will conceive, and a male child will come forth who is to be called Immanuel. Isaiah wrote:
When Matthew quotes this prophecy, he writes:
In the Shem Tov version of Matthew, which was supposedly composed in Hebrew, the verse also tells us the name Immanuel, means God with us in Hebrew. Once again, if the book was actually written in Hebrew, there would be no reason to tell the reader the meaning of the name, for the name Immanuel is Hebrew.
It should also be noted that this type of internal evidence also discredits the supposed Aramaic version of the entire New Testament called the Peshitta, as well as other pseudo-Matthews forged by Antichrist Jews in the middle ages. Thus, it's significant that Shem Tov's supposed Hebrew Matthew follows the Aramaic Peshitta, in its ongoing interpretation of certain Hebrew words.
In short, these writings were drawn from the Greek originals, and it never occurred to the forgers who claimed their abomination as the originals, to edit out the ongoing translation notes. This is the wooden stake in the heart of these wicked counterfeits. Indeed, we see the same interpretive notes occur in the writings of all four Gospel writers, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and even John. For instance, in the book of John we see the following:
In the supposedly "original" Aramaic New Testament known as the Peshitta, we see the text follows a similar phrasing:
This ongoing translation is also found in the Greek manuscripts of Luke's work, The Acts Of The Apostles, and once again, the counterfeit Aramaic "original" is exposed as a fraud. Luke writes:
Since the supposed Semitic original also translates the name within the text itself, it's clear the Aramaic is actually a corrupted translation of the Greek original:
This means that, regarding the Shem Tov abomination, the claim that Matthew's Gospel would not conform to the Greek linguistic culture of his time, and would, therefore, be written in Hebrew, is fallacious.
Literally hundreds of experts have written commentaries on the book of Matthew, and there is no doubt whatsoever that Matthew's Gospel was written in Greek. Indeed, some scholars have deciphered errors in the Eusebian notation of the "tradition" that Matthew ever "published" a version of his Gospel in Hebrew.
I'll take Nehemiah Gordon's evidence, a notably skilled and certified Hebrew Bible scholar, well respected in his field, over a boatbum's baseless claims of no evidence and refusal to even review any of the evidence presented (including written) every day of the week and twice on Sun Day!
Here is a bit more evidence, not that it will matter one iota to you, but in the chance that someone else may find it educational...
You really are a bum for posting ANYTHING for this idiot, lol:
The true story of James Lloyd doing business as Christian Media Network
But no evidence of him writing in it. And in regard to the remainder of your post, there is no evidence that any of the other apostles could even speak Greek. Sure, anything is possible I suppose but common sense tells us they would have first written down their accounts in their native tongue; one they were intimately familiar with. More so since these accounts happened in a land were Hebrew was the primary language.
In any regard, they certainly did not think in Greek, therefore everything they saw and heard had to be translated by someone(s) fluent enough in the Greek language that they were able to "coin" words and phrases to match Hebrew words and phrases as closely as possible. And even then, the Pagan characteristics of the Greek language limits the ability to completely convey the message from Hebrew as we've seen.
Is Nehemiah Gordon a believer in Yeshua/Jesus (or however you want to say His blessed name)? Those who are anti-Christ are not to be trusted when it comes to teaching what scripture clearly says about the deity of Jesus Christ. And my "claims" are not baseless but backed up by Biblical scholars that DO follow Jesus Christ.
As for the languages of Judea and Galilee, let me ask you this...WHY was the Old Testament translated into Greek (the Septuagint) two hundred years BEFORE Christianity came into existence? DO you know that the Greeks ruled the known world before the Romans? Can you understand, perhaps, why Greek was the common language of the people of Judea and Galilee as well as the other regions of that part of the world?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.