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To: Errant
Isn't it amazing how many of our worship days revolve around Pagan Gods. Ole Satan is a tricky devil indeed to have pulled the wool over the eyes of so many, for so long, and even to this very day.

YEP. every_single_one. And what's more is that they all know it - it is eminently provable, and easy to dig out. It shows the insidious power of tradition, and explains why YHWH insisted so very strongly that NO ONE could change, add to, or take from, His original words. And it doesn't stop there - virtually every aspect of society is covered in the names of the Fallen - Whose names we were never to have on our lips... While the name of YHWH goes unremembered... hidden... Even in His own Word. It is OUT of the mind of the people, not to mention ever passing their lips.

Too bad folks won't pan back and take that long view, as then maybe they would see.

Thanks for the link! I look for other sources all of the time and more and more are becoming available. It's one reason why I know this new search for truth in the Bible is taking hold. I'm now seeing both pastors and priests talk about some of the misconceptions we have inherited down through the ages based on tradition and not the scriptural evidence.

Yeah, I think it is catching on - And I think that is because it is closer to the truth. The thing is, Christian Replacement Theology hid from their eyes the fact that they donned the very same mantle as brought the Jews their destruction. Because of that, they cannot see that the 'falling away' happened a very long time ago. The 'end days' are a time when men would seek desperately for the truth and not find it... and the 'end days' have been happening since the days of Paul and John (both declared it)... Already then, the mystery of iniquity was afoot. They saw it rising.

No doubt Michael Rood is a bit abrasive at times, to put it mildly. Even I cringe sometimes... lol He is a former marine and having been around a few 'jar heads' and having worked with them for a time in my life, I appreciate his open candor. I find him amusing and often laugh at some of his more inventive analogies. ;)

I have much the same view. I think I have watched most of his major presentations, but I find the SNL format to be less inviting - more entertaining perhaps, but hard to keep track of. I know he is still doing a series format through SNL, but since it is all 'SNL' it is hard to pin down a topic to watch, and even harder to go back to to find or refer. There isn't even a valid synopsis most of the time.

And reference is a mighty important thing - One of the main things I would complain about is that his material is hard to defend because of it's video format. That is why he is hard to defend, and why folks can write any ol' thing without getting called on it - I sure ain't gonna wade through all the vids and bump-start through an entire segment in order to find the quote to defend him with. All I can do, since I know his general tenor, is say that isn't what he believes and tell folks they need to watch him (which they will never do).

He knows a heck of a lot about the scriptures. More than anyone I know of. I've checked him a number of times when I felt maybe he was 'stretching' things a bit. In every case, he was right on the money.[...]

Yup. There ain't no denying it - And the perspective is the part that is interesting. Jack Van Impe as an example, seems to have memorized vast tracts of the Bible in an amazing fashion... and he is a good enough preacher, i guess, so don't get me wrong... But He cannot do with that Bible what Rood can. Not even a fourth as well, because he cannot see beyond Protestant traditions. He KNOWS the Torah and the prophets, but the understanding of it eludes him, because he doesn't get the Hebrew angle, and would totally miss the things that Rood offers in almost unbearable detail.

[...] I'm also been awed by the knowledge that both you and ES have. I'm sure you've both noticed that I'm peddling as hard as I can to stay in sight of you guys!

Aww shucks... Lil' ol' me? Thanks for the compliment (and I agree with you about ES)... I can't speak for ES, but for myself, and because of the season, I can say that I feel like I haven't even put a dent in it yet, and I have been going on twenty years after this stuff. And the time grows perilously short.

Something else that is apparent is how solid you two are in your beliefs and how shaky the other side is, as if they themselves doubt what they believe - that speaks volumes. It also speaks volumes that they see a search for the Biblical truth as some sort of a threat.

For me it is a logic stream. I am a programmer (among other things), and that discipline requires or creates the ability to see 'ideas' as objects. Programming is just a whole bunch of complicated ideas (a series of commands to perform a particular task) strung together to form a whole. How the logic flows through that script may change, depending upon what you want the application to do, or even as the script is performing in an automatic fashion (FOR, IF, WHILE, AND/OR = THEN DO), but the logic has to be there... and the scripting must be perfect, or the application breaks...

In that light, it isn't so much what the Bible says as much as what it can't say - One of the most difficult parts of programming is not in getting a program to do what you want, but rather, to anticipate and trap error - to get the program NOT to do what you don't want, and to make double-dipped SURE that some (L)User down the road can't change your implementation, or use it against standard conventions according to it's design.

That is why those who say it has changed HAVE to be wrong... Because the logic stream from the very beginning says it CAN"T change, and CAN'T be ammended. There cannot BE a Torah v.2.

That is where verse-slinging will get you - If you can't see the whole logic stream, you can make it say anything you want it to, except that it breakes the logic flow - IF x = true AND y = true, then one has to interpret for BOTH x and y to be true - You can't interpret for y at the expense of x.

See? That is how one arrives at solid doctrine... At least for me. : )

I agree with you, Yeshua is indeed our example in all things...

Exactly. Folks would do well to seek out what a disciple IS in the Hebrew context.

1,194 posted on 02/20/2014 4:05:23 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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1,197 posted on 02/20/2014 4:11:37 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
That is why those who say it has changed HAVE to be wrong... Because the logic stream from the very beginning says it CAN"T change, and CAN'T be ammended. There cannot BE a Torah v.2.

Human logic has no place in understanding the words of God...

And reference is a mighty important thing - One of the main things I would complain about is that his material is hard to defend because of it's video format. That is why he is hard to defend, and why folks can write any ol' thing without getting called on it - I sure ain't gonna wade through all the vids and bump-start through an entire segment in order to find the quote to defend him with. All I can do, since I know his general tenor, is say that isn't what he believes and tell folks they need to watch him (which they will never do).

This guy has has been around for a long time...Plenty of time to put his teaching into a written format that could have references and be defended if he wanted it that way...

I believe if that happened his case would soon be demolished by competant bible believers...

1,198 posted on 02/20/2014 4:20:21 PM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: roamer_1; Errant

I agree in general with your assessment of SNL, but what he is doing is to bring people back to the first century traditions of joyful sabbath keeping.

I too find it difficult to go to his program and find his theme message of the night.

I also agree WRT Jack VanImpe. I’ve known him since I was 10 years old, and do love the man, but he is still blinded by the same dispy pre-trib dead end that reading of the OT scriptures freed me of some time ago.
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1,203 posted on 02/20/2014 4:52:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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