Posted on 12/26/2013 10:12:33 AM PST by Fawn
It is important to note that the only person to “see” and authenticate the long form birth certificate of one President Barrack H. Obama is now dead in a plane crash. Even more controversial is the one that they submitted as truth on the Whitehouse.gov website is 10 layered in Photo Shop and thought to be fake. The conspiracy never seems to die.
Now a whistle blower comes forward and claims she forged Obama’s birth certificate in 1985. She doesn’t just claim that she did the long form, but the short form as well. Both those claims if proven are enough to make people worry about who really is our President.
Funny how this person is not only a family member but also insists she did it for the drug cartels in Mexico. Fast and Furious and the Federal Court ruling to include drugs and child smuggling make more sense now.
It really seems to me to be quite simple, the perp who presented the application for a bc for zero did so on the same day the death announcement for the Sunahara child appeared. Possibly with input from someone at the HDOH he/she established that the child died in the Kapiolani Hospital, and assumed the child was born there, and that's the reason the bc number is out of sequence with the Kapiolani births on the same day. Just a theory...
Interesting theory. Thanks.
Virginia Sunahara had to have a BC to originally be buried in the National Cemetery at Punchbowl, to prove she was eligible as the child of a military man.
And if Obama had had a BC from Hawaii back in 1961 he wouldn’t be having any of these problems today.
oh yes he would, if the application presented on the day the Sunahara child's death announcement appeared, looked like the one above. I'm NOT saying that's the one, which might be a fake, but for example, if he was issued with a bc for a child born out of the US, like you see above, there's no way he could use it other than to obtain a driving licence and scholarships as a foreign student.
Why was there such reluctance to show the number on the COLB on the fightthesmears website? That number didn't appear until factcheck got hold of the brief to photograph the document, and that sequence was a sick joke.
Virginia Sunahara had to have a BC to originally be buried in the National Cemetery at Punchbowl, to prove she was eligible as the child of a military man
So they amended her death certificate to Virginia because they couldn't bury her as TOMIO - 14 days after her birth, and showed a bc number that was 249 numbers further along than the 41 that probably should have been hers. And her funeral wasn't until a long long time after she died; was that because the family didn't receive the 'amended' bc for two weeks after she died?
Keep an open mind. There's always more than meets the eye. Nothing is settled.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/arpaio-investigator-hawaii-still-covering-up-for-obama/
Birth certificates from the hospitals in Oahu were sent directly to the central office of the Hawaii Department of Health in Honolulu.
“The birth certificates were all numbered at the end of the month,” Lee said. “It was done by one person at the end of the month.”
When asked if there could be mistakes in numbering the birth certificates, Lee insisted birth certificates were numbered correctly on her watch.
“The birth certificates were kept together in a certain room until we numbered them all in a bunch at the end of the month,” she said. “We didn’t get them out of order, and we didn’t number them incorrectly, not in my time.”
Zullo contended the new revelations provided by Verna K. Lee attested to the care, control and method of sequential numbering of all long-form birth certificates in 1961.
“It is utterly impossible to have a birth certificate number so far out of sequence as the Sunahara birth certificate and to have that document accepted at a registrar’s office managed by Verna K. Lee,” he said. “The cover-up remains alive and well even today in the Hawaii Department of Health.”
So there it is, happened as never before happened in the history of the whole world, as said by the ancient egyptians when something inexplicable occurred.
In 1961 there wasn’t a means to register the birth of somebody CLAIMED to be born outside Hawaii, unless they were born while being transported to Hawaii and Hawaii was the first land they set foot on - but that would still be CLAIMED as a Hawaii birth, as per CDC rules. IOW, if he was registered in 1961 it was registered as a Hawaii birth and he would not be having any of these problems now. All he would have needed in 1961 was a doctor to say he had examined the baby within the first 30 days after birth, and Obama would have had no problem presenting a HI birth certificate today.
Later on they allowed certificates of foreign birth to be issued, and they allowed Hawaii BC’s to be issued as long as the parents resided in Hawaii for a year before the birth. But those things didn’t come until later. In 1961 if he wanted a HI BC they had to lie and claim that he was born in HI, and as long as they could find a doctor to go along with it they’d have been fine. They wouldn’t need to steal anybody’s BC#, and their BC# would be in line with the time of birth claimed on the HI BC.
The problem would come in if there was no baby there to be examined by a doctor. Then the BC would be incomplete and would not receive a BC# until after the BC was amended to add the necessary information/documentation. THEN the person would need to steal somebody else’s BC# if they wanted the BC# to be in line with the time of birth claimed on the BC.
I think you might need to allow for the possibility that zero wasn’t IN Hawaii on August 4, 1961, that he was already several months of age and the objective was to give him a name and a birthdate by way of an ID that couldn’t be connected to his biological parents.
The number 41 gave him that, it also resulted in the publication of the birth announcements in the Honolulu papers.
You don’t physically see him in Hawaii until he’s more than two years of age.
Don’t let the myth of Dreams derail you, or you’ll have Stanley Ann Dunham married to a man she never met until 1970.
Ann Obama wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham, and her son wasn’t zero. I’m going to quit right there, because I can see what’s going to happen. No one is prepared to even consider that Stanley Ann wasn’t his mother. Forget I brought it up.
I’m just thinking about the paper trail. People can’t choose what BC# they get, and if somebody HAD been able to give Obama Sunahara’s BC# in 1961 there wouldn’t be any problem with his record now. To get that BC# in 1961 he had to have what Hawaii considered a valid record but all the evidence suggests that he doesn’t have a valid BC.
I don’t believe he was in Hawaii until he was at least a couple years old. I think that’s what kept him from getting a totally false yet legally valid HI BC - they couldn’t get a doctor to say he had examined Obama when he was less than 30 days old, because there was no baby in HI to examine.
You’re going to have to make the leap from being a law abiding citizen and look at this from the side of the fence where the people like Frank Marshall Davis were, ready willing and able to fabricate and/or forge whatever was required to prevent communists from being deported from Hawaii. For how many years was FMD engaged as the head of the organisation known as THE PROTECTION OF THE FOREIGN BORN...there wasn’t a dirty trick he wasn’t capable of, and as an acredited journalist writing for a communist publication in Hawaii, he had access and contacts all over the place.
The objective in 1961 was simply to give a child an ID, they weren’t looking ahead - there’s something on that application for a bc that no one is allowed to see, and all that remains of the Sunahara record is the number.
Comes the moment that the batches of certificates are stacked up on the desk at the end of the month as Verna Lee says, and there’s one there for the Sunahara birth and someone who knows she has died because they read the death announcement in the paper on that same day, removes her document and slips another in its place. They never make mistakes, remember? They are careful to make certain the documents are registered and numbered in their correct order. Sunahara was one of a batch of four from Waihawa - but now it’s been replaced by one that says it’s from Kapiolani...
Bingo.
Now you don’t know what was on that replacement document. You can guess the name of the man they claimed to be the father, and the address of the mother, because she was listed in the Polk as Ann Obama. BUT IF HER MAIDEN NAME WASN’T DUNHAM, there’s a problem. Just for an example.
But if they had succeeded in 1961 there wouldn’t be any reason for Abercrombie to say that there was no BC, for Onaka to refuse to verify the facts of birth, or for any of the forgeries.
I’m just saying the evidence strongly suggests that he does not have what Hawaii considers to be a valid BC, which he would have had if the scenario you described had actually happened.
Guess it's possible the name they chose for the 'mother' was Ann D SOMETHING and his 'mother' wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham until she got custody by divorcing the man she didn't meet until 1970, in March, 1964.
Goodnight!
Who used the word valid? I didn’t. The forgery simply dates back to the date of the death of the Sunahara child and the date of the application for a bc for zero.
Goodnight, Fred. Sleep well, as I’m sure I will too. My mind is fried mush right now. Not that anybody could probably tell the difference. lol.
There’s always so much to think about...
They may have succeeded to the extent that he ended up with an id that allowed him to pass as the son of the kenyan student and a mother who was named as heaven knows who, but it ultimately wasn't enough to fit with the myth of Dreams, that he was the son of a white woman from Kansas. With a bit of bad luck, the forged bc he ended up with might have shown his mother as the woman the kenyan student was separated from, who went to live in the Philippenes...and that wouldn't fit with Stanley Ann and the romance of meeting in a Russian Class - would it now?
Poor old Abercrombie, he saw something quite different, he saw the record of the child that was born to Ann Obama and the kenyan in January 1961. The child Mary baby-sat.
Neither he nor Onaka can come clean. They know they've been had. All they can do is CTA. Over and out.
Amazing what crawls out of the woodwork. Is she just insane, or did someone pay her to make crazytalk?
The Obots and Afterbirthers at Fogbow and Obama Conspiracy Theories have been attacking her for years now.
Even blind pigs get an acorn now and then.
She’s not even up to the level of a blind pig. She’s seriously mentally ill.
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