"The author proceeds to cite Hayek, but does not mention that Hayek also demonstrates with both logic and history that government always attracts to worst sort of people to its highest offices."
Not always.
Posted on 09/28/2013 1:20:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Otto von Bismarck, the Chancellor of Germany, and dictatorial in his own right, started socialized healthcare in 1883 with the Reichsversicherungsverordnung or Reich Insurance Act. However, only certain segments of the society were insured at that time, such as government workers and the elderly. It was Adolf Hitler, who actually imposed socialized healthcare on the entire German population, as a part of nazification of the healthcare industry. For that reason, Adolf Hitler should rightly be called the *real* father of universal healthcare. Part of his collective universal healthcare concept was “racial hygiene,” the elimination of certain “undesirable” segments of the society, as life not worth living. This is history that people have largely forgotten, because it is politically incorrect and inconvenient to remember it.
Hitler also literally rolled out, via panzer, his universal healthcare to occupied France, Belgium and the Netherlands — those countries with mainly “Aryan” populations. Hitler’s jackboots put universal healthcare in place in those very countries that he wished to aryanize and perfect, by elimination of physical/mental defects in the populations via sterilization and medical killing.
The point is not that Obama is Hitler, but that universal healthcare gives any government enormous power that can potentially be misused, if the wrong people are in control, not that it is will necessarily be misused at this moment in history exactly as it was in Nazi Germany. This is just much too much power to centralize in the hands of the Government, because governments sometimes go bad. Friedrich A. Hayek, author of “The Road to Serfdom,” stated in his book that the crimes of the Nazis loom so large in our memories that it prevents us from seeing similar trends in our own society.
The first mass murders of the Holocaust were carried out in the socialized German hospitals and the techniques for mass murder were developed there. Several hundred thousand handicapped and mentally ill persons were murdered in Hitler’s universal healthcare system. Retarded and mentally ill children were euthanized and the T4 project did the same for handicapped, mentally ill and elderly adults. In his orders permitting medical killing, Hitler called them “mercy killing” and “lives not worth living.” In this way Germany produced great savings in healthcare, not only due to the extermination of existing patients, but many ill persons (and their families) became too fearful, due to rumors of the killings, to dare check their relatives into the hospitals.
Hitler often did not state openly what he intended exactly to be done, but made his orders intentionally vague and open to interpretation. The perpetrators in the Nazi Reich were made to understand by other, more informal channels what the real intentions of the Fuehrer were. The courts and the police were under government control, so neither his actions nor those of his minions could be challenged.
Robert Jay Lifton, author of “The Nazi Doctors”, points out that the extermination of the Jews and others of different ethnic groups was itself seen as a medical solution, a medical procedure for the collective healing of the Aryan race and the German Nation by elimination of the Jewish infection of Aryan blood. So, the entire Holocaust can be seen as an extension of Hitlercare. From that point of view, it is estimated that about 10 million people were murdered under Hitlercare, including six millions Jews. The Nazi plan for fundamental transformation of Germany and the world was ultimately to exterminate about 25 million Jews and Slavs in Eastern Europe in fulfillment of the so-called “racial hygiene” principle of the extremely-efficient, German universal healthcare system.
Because resources are limited, the concept of universal healthcare requires the Government to make decisions on the distribution of healthcare that will determine the survivability of different groups in society. That is, the welfare of the collective and government priorities are placed above that of the rights of any individual.
Once you have given the Government that much power, there is no natural barrier between you and the Holocaust of the Nazis. It is only a matter of degree, of how far they want to take this concept that social welfare trumps individual rights.
This is the inherent evil of universal healthcare. It gives Government the right to decide life and death for entire classes of society, as opposed to individuals contracting for their own healthcare. This is why Hitler liked universal healthcare so much that he imposed it on conquered countries, not exactly because he was so concerned for the well being of the subjected peoples, but because it gave him the right over entire classes of people to decide who lives and who dies. It gave him the power to engineer the composition of society to his own malicious requirements. Entire classes of people can be eliminated with no judicial process being necessary.
This is also the reason that Obama and others in the Government want universal healthcare so desperately, in order to achieve their own vision of fundamental transformation of America. The socialist elite needs to be able to ignore the rights of the individual to engineer their new utopian society. For that purpose, the same kind of centrally-controlled universal healthcare system that Hitler used is required.
The argument should not be whether universal healthcare works or not, but that it goes against American constitutional principles. It worked great in the Nazi Reich for their purposes. It is a very powerful tool that can be misused in the wrong hands.
The American system was not designed by the Founders with the assumption that the Government will always be a good one, but the Founders thought it most probable, even inevitable, that someday a tyrant would attempt to usurp power in the United States. For that reason they designed a system of checks and balances into the Constitution, which corrupt politicians and arrogant, unprincipled judges have ignored and circumvented more and more in recent decades.
Universal healthcare is not aligned with American founding constitutional principles and requires a very benevolent government in order to function well. However, if the government goes bad, — as many believe ours already has — then, universal healthcare may become a catastrophe, as it was in Nazi Germany, the real birthplace of universal healthcare.
The poor, disadvantaged and minorities are being used to spearhead this drive towards universal healthcare, but they have not always benefited from efforts to “perfect” society, but may experience the opposite. The weakest and most vulnerable have often been targets to be eliminated.
The GOP has a couple of alternate plans. The media just doesn’t like to talk about them:
BINGO.
The GOP needs to get off their hind ends, and pass in the House (as in PASS) a GOP-supported plan and compete with the Dems’ plan.
Now.
It is not enough to simply oppose what Dems are doing.
What is the alternative?
“[U]niversal health care gives any government enormous power that can potentially be misused, if the wrong people are in control.”
The author proceeds to cite Hayek, but does not mention that Hayek also demonstrates with both logic and history that government always attracts to worst sort of people to its highest offices.
The author correctly mentions that the National Socialists did not openly state many of their intentions, and how Hitler’s orders were vague and open to interpretation. In her magnum opus Eichmann in Jerusalem, Hannah Arendt explains that the Nazis had “rigid ‘language rules’ (Sprachregelung)” with prescribed code names for various aspects of the “final solution.” National Socialists and communists cannot achieve their ends without corrupting language. Orwell anticipated the time would come that government had so corrupted language that its subjects would lack the capability of even forming a subversive thought.
In her coverage of the Eichmann trial, Arendt notes with much dismay that the defense often referred to the gassing of people by the millions in the the camps as a “medical matter”.
As I said before, I’m with you 100%.
I just frankly am less enthusiastic than you, in leaving it up to companies.
They’re all leaving.
"The author proceeds to cite Hayek, but does not mention that Hayek also demonstrates with both logic and history that government always attracts to worst sort of people to its highest offices."
Not always.
Then someone else will have to start some other companies, after the restoration. Remember: Apple, a huge multinational, was started in a garage not that long ago, and we have millions of potential entrepreneurs out there, if the red tape bureaucrats would just get the hell out of their way! Watch the show “Shark Tank” sometime. Carter brought us Reagan, do you really think BHO will bring us Hillary?
I’m nitpicking here, but the people we call Nazis never referred to their party and their political philosophy as such. They called themselves National Socialists, and the name of their party was the NSDAP
National
Sozialismus (Socialist)
Deutsche (German)
Arbeiter (Workers)
Partei (Party)
The “D” part was really, really important to the Nazis.
But, you’re right about the most important thing: National Socialism is still socialism. And genuine socialism is necessarily totalitarian.
Point taken, but government was attracting the worst sort even then.
The colonies just got lucky, and happened to have some of the most enlightened people in history, people thoroughly educated in the Bible, John Locke (et al), and the history of Rome and Greece, to work out a system of government that limited the authority granted to even the best sort. The founders knew that the worst sort were attracted to politics.
Once you have control of something essential to peoples’ lives, like healthcare, food, housing, or jobs—then, the people will quickly support come to support you. They will even be fervent in their support of you. This may seem counterintuitive but it is human nature that once someone controls another person’s essential needs, the controlled person will decide, conciously or not, to adopt the attitude of supporting the person who controls him or her. Once gov’t turns everyone into a peasant dependent on gov’t for health care, the popular support for the gov’t will become almost universal.
It is a central evil of totalitarianism.
Just as a point of fact, I suspect you'd find that Lenin was the "*real*" father of universal healthcare.
Yep, the Bolsheviks provided the blueprint for the Nazis.
That is the plan. Both Obama and Hillary were big followers of Saul Alinsky who dedicated his books to Lucifer - the first rebel.
They are working to help us all make an easy transition to hell.
Both Obama and Hillary have worked to push their brand of marxist medicine.
One fell on her face, but her minions got some of hers stuff passed.
The other is "sticking it" to us as we write.
Question is - how long are we going to allow him to cram it down our throats?
The question is how does the government fund medical care for people that can't afford it? The answer to that question was medicare and medicaid. However; instead of the government raising taxes to paying the true treatment costs incurred by those programs, they decided to stiff healthcare providers. That forced everyone else to pay more which created a negative feedback loop.
Do a search using this search term - “Hitler T-4 Health Care Plan”
There is not much new in Obamacare that hasn’t been tried before.
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We know. We [I] tried to tell others. Some listened most said, “They can’t do that.” A few said, “You are crazy.”
I am interested in human reaction to “things/events”, and what they possibly mean.
On my twitter account, I quoted directly from hitlers health insurance/care plan with the has tag #obamacare #obama and #defundobamacare.
The replies have been very interesting from leftist (I am assuming), such as ‘I don’t think that’s in the bill are you paraphrasing’, ‘that makes sense what is your problem’, ‘why are you trashing over obama over this he wants everyone covered’, “yea so what’s your point’.
Not ONE of the replies I have received knew it was not the bill (obamacare) and accepted that it was in fact obamacare.
We are so screwed.
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