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1 posted on 08/27/2013 2:27:12 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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birth abroad to American parents

Problem is Ted didn't have American parents, he had an American parent and a Cuban parent. IOW, less eligible than Obama.

2 posted on 08/27/2013 2:29:40 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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PING


3 posted on 08/27/2013 2:36:23 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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goodie


4 posted on 08/27/2013 2:37:04 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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CATO institute has veered a lot into the far reaches of libertarian kookdom from what I’ve read (very sporadically) over the last few years.

IMHO if Cruz takes the bait that he’s a NBC, and being a Constitutional scholar or something, he ought to know better, then the Dems/leftist will, at the very last minute, pull out info proving that one must be born on US soil to be a NBC - jus solis, IIRC. Of course the researchers here know that to be a verity.

I am 100% sure of this. They will pull it out. And claim that Steaming is a NBC since his faux birth cert says “HI”. And now so many are running with this - Levin, for example, and a lot on FR will now focus their ire on anyone saying “Hey, he ain’t a NBC - foreign birth, foreign national father - two strikes!” We’re trolls, we’re dupes, we’re leftist traitors.

Anyone who thinks he’s a NBC is duped. And pretty soon there’ll be a long thread zotting anyone who says he isn’t, mark my words.

And then at the very last minute, after he’s gotten the nomination, a judge somewhere will make the decision that jus solis determines NBC status.


11 posted on 08/27/2013 3:08:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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newbie.


17 posted on 08/27/2013 3:26:59 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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I’d vote for Cruz in a heartbeat if only to shove the Obama precedent back on the libs but I’m afraid that there are probably enough diehard “birthers” to make his path to victory problematic. What I’d love to see Ted Cruz do is use his possible candidacy as a teachable moment - releasing his college funding records for example and explaining that as a dual citizen he needed to show that he never received as aid as a foreign student or lived in the foreign student dorm.


19 posted on 08/27/2013 3:34:37 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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CAT also supports Open Borders, Illegal Alien Amnesty, and economically destructive Free Trade policies. How people think the are anything conservative when they are quite liberal on most issues


20 posted on 08/27/2013 3:35:28 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (You cannot be conservative while supporting the bankruptcy of your nation)
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The posterity of We the People are the nation's natural born citizens.

-PJ

27 posted on 08/27/2013 3:47:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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As a self-described constitutionalist, I'm teed off at any "conservative" who is erroneously claiming that Cruz a Natural Born Citizen. The definition of NBC, as understood by the framers, is the Vattel definition: born under the flag of the nation to parents both of whom were citizens of that nation at the time of the birth. Cruz clearly does not qualify on two counts. He is a citizen at birth, but not a Natural Born Citizen. The latter is a subset of the former.

I just don't understand this Cruz for President infatuation - over a man who has been in federal public office for less than a year - when yet another clause of the Constitution has to be turned on its head in order for it to work. Cruz is a good guy, but as Theodore Roosevelt famously said, NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land!

There are a number of other good Republican candidates for the White House in 2016 who are head and shoulders above anything the 'Rats can offer and who pass the Natural Born Citizen test with flying colors.

Conform to the Constitution and pick an outstanding and constitutionally eligible candidate for the POTUS in 2016, and let Ted Cruz serve with distinction in the Senate for many years to come.

29 posted on 08/27/2013 3:54:33 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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Simply for what it is worth.

Wikipedia quote is that "A person of exceptional merit, generally a non-United States citizen may, be declared an Honorary Citizen of the United States by an act of Congress, or by a proclamation by the President of the United States.....

Winston Churchill was born in Blenheim, England in the year 1874. His father was Lord Randolph Churchill. His mother was the former Jenny Jerome of Brooklyn, New York.

Winston Churchill was declared an honorary citizen of the United States, by a proclamation delivered by President John F. Kennedy.

I would presume then, that Winston was not considered an American citizen, let alone a natural born citizen. His mother then, could not give him citizenship if this was the case.

31 posted on 08/27/2013 3:56:19 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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FYI ping!


33 posted on 08/27/2013 4:04:29 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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The founders originally were willing to let any citizen that was a resident for 21 years be president.

John Jay wrote to George Washington presiding over the constitutional convention to add the natural born citizen requirement to prevent a foreigner from being chief of the Army and the change was accepted without much discussion.

So the original intent of many of the founders was to let any long-term citizen be president. The requirement that the president be born a citizen was to prevent foreigners from becoming president.

So can Cruz be both born a citizen and born a foreigner?

63 posted on 08/27/2013 4:40:37 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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If the American electorate had the faintest clue about what they were doing, these interminable hair-splittings would not be needed.
72 posted on 08/27/2013 5:03:36 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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The LIEbertarians liberals at CATO claim we don’t have borders, either. They are globalists and I don’t care to listen to the treasonous turds.


215 posted on 08/29/2013 4:33:51 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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The "fly in the ointment" here is found in the statement "The Nationality Act of 1940 outlines which children become "nationals and citizens of the United States at birth." If your citizenship derives from any Act or Amendment, it cannot be "natural born."
216 posted on 08/30/2013 8:26:01 AM PDT by NJ_Tom (I don't worship the State; I don't worship the Environment - I only worship God.)
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