Xerox 7655 Overview Picture (Obot claims to replicate Obama LFBC pdf w/floating signature)

Native and Natural Born Citizenship Explored ^ | August 6, 2013 | NBC

[bgill]

Sun Yat Sen’s is domestic. Catch that?

[bgill]

Ah, but then it was also copied from a bound volume, so that whole volume would have to be in a vault. Or was it a file cabinet? Fukino said it was in a file cabinet; they put a big bound volume in a file cabinet.

If it was taken out of the fire proof "vault" records room and placed in some file cabinet, say in her office or wherever, then it's not safe from fire, flood, etc. At 5 pm, the "vault" is locked up tight and would take a concerted effort to open whereas a file cabinet can bet opened with a swift kick to the bottom or a letter opener by the night cleaning crew in 5 seconds flat. Now, raise your hand if you believe it's in a file cabinet. Anyone? Waiting.... Yep, more lies.

[4Zoltan]

“If it was taken out of the fire proof “vault” records room and placed in some file cabinet, say in her office or wherever, then it’s not safe from fire, flood, etc.”

“More than a month before Donald Trump began his media blitzkrieg over the issue of President Obama’s birth certificate, the document was quietly moved to a more secure location within a dual combination-key lock safe inside the state’s health department vault.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-moved-secure-location-months-ago/#ixzz2dBItR3QX

[BigGuy22]

“Sun Yat Sen’s is domestic.”
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Yes, that’s right, and his Hawaiian birth certificate would be admissible into evidence.

It would then have had to be weighed against the evidence that he was born in Cuiheng, Xiangshan County, Guangdong Province, and a judge would have to decide which documentation was correct.

Similarly, any document saying that Obama was born in Hawaii could be challenged using any persuasive evidence you had that he was born elsewhere. So, for example, if you wanted to introduce one of the Kenyan birth certificates against the Letter of Verification, you would be free to do that.

Of course, that wasn’t done, and I think you know why.

[BigGuy22]

“So, where did the literary agent get the information?”
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What an odd question! Are you suggesting that I have knowledge of where the information came from? I don’t, and I never suggested that I did.

It sounds to me like you are asking me to speculate on where it came from. But my speculation is legally worthless, and so is yours.

There have been claims that the information must have come from Obama himself, but as far as I know there is no evidence to support it. Therefore, as I have said repeatedly, such a conclusion is based purely on speculation. I have no desire to throw my specluation onto the pile.

Have you got any evidence?

[4Zoltan]

“ALL (as in every county and state in the US) the BCs, marriages, deeds, etc. are kept in a vault, aka a fireproof room”

Looks like they use the fire proof room.

http://archives.midweek.com/content/columns/doctorinthehouse_article/keeping_the_records_straight/

[4Zoltan]

“Actually it was another lawyer in the Perkins Coie law firm that Hayes did work for, but Perkins Coie was on his client list.”

The lawyer (according to Hayes’ C.V.) was Thomas Kellenberg who apparently hasn’t worked for Perkins Coie since the 1990s.

Here is his bio:

http://ihradvocates.org/about-us/

Thomas M. Kellenberg is the executive director of International Human Rights Advocates (IHRA).

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“Tom has worked in private practice as an associate with the law firm of Perkins Coie, and as of counsel with Kirkland & Ellis LLP. Together with Kirkland & Ellis, Tom helped organize post-conviction representation for Virginia death row inmate Robin Lovitt, who was ultimately granted clemency.”

And from this story about Lovitt, it appears that Kellenberg was working in Washington D.C. for Notre Dame’s Washington Project since at least 2000.

http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/2.2754/students-professors-examine-death-penalty-1.269214#.UhzOdazn-M8

“Five years ago, Kellenberg brought the case to Kirkland & Ellis, a D.C. law firm headed by double Domer Tom Yannucci.”

How old is the case that Hayes worked on for Perkins Coie?

[justiceseeker93]

...Obots and Fogblowers are paying such close attention to a matter that they claim to view as being frivolous and delusional. Fogblowers know what a liar Barry is and are afraid of what a congressional investigation might turn up in Hawaii and in the evidence file of Zullo.

That pretty much sums up why Obama defenders are popping up on FR threads like this one, spewing disinformation regarding the CCP investigation findings and its implications.

[justiceseeker93]

So, where did the literary agent get the information? Lemme guess, the guy down at the coffee shop told the newspaper boy who told the bum in the alley who mumbled it to the lady walking her dog who told her cousin who told the dry cleaners who told the literary agent and the literary agent ran it back past the coffee shop guy who in turn approved and signed off on the write up and somehow after all these decades, the author never once saw it so couldn’t possibly have known to have it corrected.

LOL!!!

[bgill]

Yeah, I know why. Because he can’t afford for it to make it to court. That’s why he and his lawyers gave the judge the one fingered salute when they all failed to show up after the judge ordered them to. Did they get so much as a slap on the wrist? No. Did the case proceed? No. Was anything at all done? No.

But you’re avoiding the fact that BCs can be and are forged.

[BigGuy22]

“But you’re avoiding the fact that BCs can be and are forged.”
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LOL, not a bit! Of course BCs can be forged.

But they are presumed to be authentic unless proven to be forged in a court of competent authority. That certainly hasn’t happened yet, but feel free to keep trying.

(Oh, and you are apparently referring to the hearing before ALJ Malihi in Georgia. Why don’t you review your facts? You’ve got a whole bunch of them wrong. And since that was not one of the venues in which a Letter of Verification was submitted, it is completely irrelevant to the question I raised. Why don’t you read it again and see if you can answer it? You might learn something.)

[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

Whoa.........what happened to director Loretta Fuddy?

[bgill]

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/admin/director.html

Fuddy’s still the head honcho and grand poobah of all the other directors. Fukino left and came back and is Director of the Big Island and Molokai. I’d like to know exactly why that other guy, can’t remember his name... started with a B or R maybe, left so quickly.

[ConstantSkeptic]

Fantasywriter: “Why would Obama tell his own literary agent he was born in Kenya?”

bgill: "So, where did the literary agent get the information?"

On 2/6/90, the New York Times published an article titled "First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review." In it, they said:

"The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University... His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii."

Compare that to the blurb put out by Acton & Dystel:

"Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University..."

So there are two options:

1) Acton & Dystel either had newspaper clippings of its authors and/or it did a NEXIS search of newspapers and ended up mis-copying from the many articles appearing in 1990 when Obama was elected to head Harvard's Law Review. Easy to believe. Things like that happen all the time.

or

2) According to the Breitbart.com article which published the publicity blurb, Obama was clearly born in Hawaii. However, the Breitbart article accuses Obama of telling the publisher he was born in Kenya, and claimed that was just proof of Obama's manipulating his public persona and fictionalizing aspects of his own life. So, in other words, according to Breitbart, you've been punk'd!

[4Zoltan]

“started with a B or R maybe, left so quickly.”

Neal Palafox

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13914818

Palafax later resigned his post at the University Of Hawaii

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/121373829.html

[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

His name was Dr. Neil Palafox, Governor Abecrombies nominee for the job. He resigned before his confirmation. Freeper Butterdezillion (I think) thinks that he wouldn’t go along with the forgery and he was pressured to step aside. That’s when Fuddy was appointed.

Read the comments at the bottom.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/plot-thickens-new-hawaii-health.html

[4Zoltan]

His problems got worse:

http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y

“Three months after Gov. Neil Abercrombie asked Dr. Neal Palafox to withdraw his nomination as health director, the University of Hawaii hired an outside law firm to help deal with a state and federal investigation involving the embattled physician and entities associated with him, according to UH documents.”

[BigGuy22]

"That’s why he and his lawyers gave the judge the one fingered salute when they all failed to show up after the judge ordered them to. Did they get so much as a slap on the wrist? No. Did the case proceed? No. Was anything at all done? No."
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That is such a crock that I've done some research for you. Feel free to do your own and see if you find anything different.

"they all failed to show up after the judge ordered them to"

No, that's not true.

In the Georgia ballot challenge case, Farrar v. Obama, the President's attorneys declined to appear on the grounds that the hearing was scheduled in error, because the the Court had no jurisdiction over the issues in question. The judge, ALJ Malihi, didn't like hearing that, but he did not issue a court order requiring anyone to appear.

"Did they get so much as a slap on the wrist? No."

Well, Malihi is his ruling rebuked them for not attending:

"By deciding this matter on the merits, the Court in no way condones the conduct or legal scholarship of Defendant's attorney, Mr. Jablonski."

"Did the case proceed? No."

No, that's not true. The case certainly did proceed. You can see the proceedings on YouTube, and you can read Malihi's ruling online.

"Was anything at all done? No."

Oh, I wouldn't say that. ALJ Malihi listened to the evidence that purported to prove that the BC was a forgery, and issued a rather scathing ruling (quoted in part):

"The Court finds the testimony of the witnesses, as well as the exhibits tendered, to be of little, if any, probabtive value, and thus wholly insufficient to support Plaintiffs' allegations ... None of the testifying witnesses provided persuasive testimony. Moreover, the Court finds that none of the written submissions tendered by Plaintiffs have probative value. Given the unstaisfactory evidence presented by the Plaintiffs, the Court concludes that Plaintiffs' claims are not persuasive."

and concluding:

"President Barack Obama is eligible as a candidate for the presidential primary election under O.C.G.A. § 21-2-5(b)."

Of course, the plaintiffs didn't like that one bit, so they appealed to the Superior Court of Fulton County. And do you know what the Superior Court said?

"Based upon Georgia law and governing precedent, the Court finds it has no authority to exercise jurisdiction over the Democratic Party of Georgia's selection of the names(s) to be included in the Presidential Preference Primary or to examine the qualifications of those individuals. Therefore, these actions should be DISMISSED in accordance with O.C.G.A. § 9-11-12(b)."

In other words, the President's attorney was correct -- the hearing never should have been held in the first place, as the Court had no jurisdiction.

Trial court ruling: http://www.scribd.com/doc/80422088/2012-02-03-Decision-From-Malahi-GEORGIA-ALJ-Obama-is-NBC

Superior Court ruling: http://www.scribd.com/doc/83539865/GA-2012-03-02-ORDER-Dismissing-Farrar-Swensson-Powell-And-Welden-Complaints

[bgill]

Yeah, that’s him.

[butterdezillion]

They have ways of keeping him silent, I guess...

Welcome to the mafia world, Neal... The feds and somebody in HI got on your tail as soon as you said you didn’t know why you were resigning... A state investigation? Would that be the AG’s office? The same AG’s office that claimed that Duncan Sunahara’s request for his sister’s birth certificate was really all about Obama? The same AG’s office that said they can’t issue a certified copy of Virginia Sunahara’s long-form birth certificate because the delicate paper might be destroyed (if they made a microfilm copy...)?

Yeah, I can tell you that a lot of my problems got worse after I spoke out about what I found in Hawaii also. Not nearly as bad as Andrew Breitbart, Edward Snowden, or Michael Hastings... Funny how that works. Cross the regime and your problems get a lot worse all of a sudden...