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Connecting possible dots. Avoiding "failure of imagination."
1 posted on 05/02/2013 8:45:09 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
Occam's razor says it was a cargo-shift.
2 posted on 05/02/2013 8:46:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Seizethecarp

There’s probably enough footage of this to be able to say yes or no.


3 posted on 05/02/2013 8:46:56 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Seizethecarp

No, it looks like a cargo shift..


4 posted on 05/02/2013 8:48:26 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: Travis McGee

ping


5 posted on 05/02/2013 8:48:26 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: Seizethecarp

AR-15 in the trunk of the plane obviously....sheesh. They had the guys on live when cargo shift was mentioned before the 747 hit the earth.

It even LOOKS like cargo shift....happened just like this in the 90s in FL.


7 posted on 05/02/2013 8:52:38 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: Seizethecarp

They could do this by mining the Bagram runway with autonomous GPS-guided multi-copters placed exactly where they would collide with each jet turbine as the 747-400 passed through the RKZ of the Bagram runway.

What a nut to claim that happened. What the video. There was no engine failure.

Crash: National Air Cargo B744 at Bagram on Apr 29th 2013, lost height shortly after takeoff
http://avherald.com/h?article=46183bb4&opt=0


8 posted on 05/02/2013 8:52:52 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Seizethecarp

If you watch the video is pretty obvious they were climbing at too steep of an angle and the plane simply stalled.


9 posted on 05/02/2013 8:54:20 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Seizethecarp

From the video I’ve seen it looks like an extremely high angle of ascent combined with a possible cargo shift. There was no smoke or obvious damage to the plane before it crashed.


15 posted on 05/02/2013 9:04:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Seizethecarp

According to a listener on frequency the crew reported the aircraft stalled due to a possible load shift.


19 posted on 05/02/2013 9:13:03 AM PDT by TSgt (More Scott Roeders and fewer Tillers and Gosnells)
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To: Seizethecarp
This is the second time you've posted a drone-takes-down-plane theory with the exact same comment.

Smells like a blog pimp to me!


20 posted on 05/02/2013 9:15:12 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Seizethecarp

It’s a stall.

Something like this happened to a small commuter jet a few years back, if I remember correctly.

The cause of that commuter accident was incorrect center-of-gravity loading.

I’m betting it’s the same thing here.

And - perhaps Boeing changed the design, but I do not remember 747-400 having the rather normal nose profile that I think I’m seeing in that movie (not that the type of plane matters...if one Obamas up the CG, any plane will perform like liberal economists do).


25 posted on 05/02/2013 9:38:21 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Seizethecarp

The video on the TV news last night was awsome but so deadly to see such a huge aircraft fall out of the sky. Another sad day for families of the dead crew.


33 posted on 05/02/2013 9:55:54 AM PDT by mohresearcher
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To: Seizethecarp
It certainly looked like a stall, although that may have been exaggerated by the camera angle.
39 posted on 05/02/2013 10:16:05 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Seizethecarp
except the video soundtrack captures the roar of the engines spooled up to the max. Furthermore an engine taken out by something in the compressor would be sending out bursts of flame and smoke in profuse quantity, especially if it was a full power (as it would be, especially at that airport). None of that appears in the vid.

This accident probably left the black boxes fully recoverable, so real data should be available to the accident investigators soon. No need to pander to knee-jerk conspiracy theorists about hypothetical GPS drone attacks.

The typical consumer grade quadcopter probably doesn't have enough mass to constitute a serious threat anyway. I bet a golden BB attack would have a higher probability of success.

40 posted on 05/02/2013 10:16:46 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: Seizethecarp

Is runway kill blog yours?


45 posted on 05/02/2013 10:43:53 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Even before the video centered on the plane the 747 was already in mid stall.

Sure looks like a cargo shift accident to me...not that I have seen too many.

I have flown RC planes with the CG way too far aft...looks just like the video.


58 posted on 05/02/2013 1:58:46 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Seizethecarp

The black box will have the engine telemetry so this can be proved or disproved easily


65 posted on 05/02/2013 8:25:41 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Yosemitest

ping...


67 posted on 05/03/2013 9:07:11 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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