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To: Seizethecarp
Occam's razor says it was a cargo-shift.
2 posted on 05/02/2013 8:46:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not only was it not terrorist, I doubt it was even cargo-shift. It has the look of simple (and I might add classic) steep climb stall. Once the aircraft stalled, clearly the nose dropped (as it is supposed to do) and the pilot appeared to be regaining control. Another 12-1500 feet of altitude and it might have been the most impressive ‘buzzing’ of the field ever recorded.

And yes, this exact type of accident has happened before. When you get that much mass rotating that quickly, Mr. Newton takes over and makes it continue to rotate even as the pilot commands it to stop. As some point airspeed diminishes below stalling speed, and you become a passenger until the nose drops and airspeed is regained. Hopefully you don’t run out of altitude before that happens.


10 posted on 05/02/2013 8:56:00 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Classic cargo shift to the tail, causing the aircraft to pitch up then stall. The pilot did an incredible job of trying to save it in it's final seconds although at that point it was falling like a rock with no lift.

Were there any locals on that ground crew who loaded the aircraft? Were maximum capacity limits ignored? It's hard to watch that dashcam video, and I found that the puppy whimpering then the driver chuckling kind of odd, given the enormity of what just happened. Horrible.

12 posted on 05/02/2013 9:00:51 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No. Next question.


18 posted on 05/02/2013 9:12:36 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’ve also thought that maybe the practice is for jets departing that base to take off at a steep angle to avoid possible fire from the ground and in this case the crew just stalled the thing. I used to worry about that happening whenever my family flew out of Ontario or Burbank in SoCal.


27 posted on 05/02/2013 9:49:55 AM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Clearly cargo shift to the rear.

Once that occurs at takeoff there is no maneuver sufficient to correct from that pitch up, tail down stall.

You don't have sufficient speed, thrust, or altitude to regain control.

29 posted on 05/02/2013 9:52:38 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Indeed. Especially as the cargo was vehicles. Someone screwed up on the tie-downs, either not properly attached, or inadequate for the load. Something slipped, connectors snapped, and instant major CG shift in the most dangerous portion of the flight. . .


36 posted on 05/02/2013 10:00:57 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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